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senate Bill S. 386

Should Per-Country Immigration Limits Be Lifted?

Argument in favor

The current immigration system of “per country limits,” in which citizens from a given country can’t receive more than 7% of all visas issues in a given year, significantly disadvantages workers from populous countries such as China and India.

Arafat's Opinion
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06/10/2019
Bills such as HR1044,S386 with large bipartisan support need not be delayed and could be quickly voted on. While we all want a comprehensive immigration reform, but why delay as several immigrant lives & growth continue to be buried with the endless wait.
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Sameer's Opinion
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09/18/2019
This is a discrimination against region which is not allowed in employment. Please vote yes to end this discrimination. Country of birth is an immutable property and should not be considered while allotting the green cards.
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Rajesh's Opinion
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06/10/2019
There are thousands of great scientists, doctors and engineers from India are currently sitting in EB GC backlog and have to wait 151 years to get their GC. The current US Immigration system, despite the skills and contribution they make to US, never allowed to get GC and always kept a temporary worker and thrown out of the country while waiting in line for years or even decades. This impacts each and every member of the immigrant family. Per-country cap for Employment based visa should be only based on merit. That how H1b works and even how the real world works. This per-country limit for EB category set in 1990 is outdated and is discriminating countries with high population like India, China etc., 86% already of the total Immigrants given Greencards already gave diversity. Employment-based Visa category only accounts for 14% of the total Greencard given. Companies hire Immigrants employees based on skills and not on nationality. Immigrants from any nation, should get Greencard under EB category. Process should be give GC to all without seeing their nationality. Indian/Chinese immigrants are penalized for their country of birth. Indian Immigrants have to wait 151 years to get Greencard under EB-2. These are the folks with Advanced Degree. US is losing on global market competition because of the diversity clause present in the EB visa. Removing Per-country does not favor any single nation, it just makes the process "First Come First Served" and will make US lead in the global market.
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Argument opposed

Per-country caps are a reasonable way of ensuring immigrants from around the world have a chance to come to America. Ending the per-country cap could open the door for immigration to skew towards more populous countries.

Vishal's Opinion
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07/29/2019
This is a terrible bill. I say this as an Indian. The reason is it rewards mediocrity and fraud. The reason wait times are higher for India is due to a large scale visa fraud which has clogged Indian line due to the overwhelming number of I-140. Companies like HCL, Cognizant abuse it. The average pay for Cognizant petition is 70k, hardly "high", lookup on mybisajobs.com. Further, there are some genuine applicants, however, this bill will reward cheaters along with those few genuine ones. We can't reward cheating. It will increase wait times for every other country including China to about 8 to 10/years. No incentive for people from Africa, Europe, SE Asia to come here. Also, note that UChicago study established that 84% of Ph.D. is actually non-Indian. I have a Ph.D., and I will apply in EB1 queue. You need to understand that even EB1 is abused by outsourcing companies which sent people as " managers and directors", they are neither. If you have followed the news H1b fraud replaced workers at Disney, UCSF, Edison,Aetna and numerous other, these same guys have clogged the system after working six years on H1b. If you want to be fair first step would be separate I-140 coming from the genuine US masters/Ph.D. and those with mediocre degrees from outside the US. Often those with outside degrees will also be the outsourcing company applications. Those with degrees from here should be processed, those from consultancies should be not. The solution is to not male the Rest of the World to suffering because of one nation has engaged in prolonged fraud. Further, there needs to be a public debate onS386/HR1044. If the bill is so good, why is there silence on it? Why is outsourcing lobby trying so hard to ram it through? It is bad for America, American workers, and International students from everywhere including China. The recent 737 Max crash is largely due to a software bug in work done by HCL by "engineers" working at $9/hr. This bill encourages such fraud, displaces American worker, and entirely discourages talent from ROW who make up about 80% PhDs awarded. It is a terrible bill with a profound negative impact on America, it needs to be scraped, and the issue needs public debate.
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Sohaib's Opinion
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07/12/2019
I and many other Americans and foreigners from different countries other than Indian and China will be negatively impacted if this bill becomes law. Not only it will allow Americans IT workers to be replaced on permanent basis but it will also negatively impact diversity in the immigration system. It will overwhelmingly favor Indians and Chinese nationals. Many of these immigrants are not highly skilled but have secured jobs because of their willingness to take lower salaries. They will displace American workers by thousands. This bill has unfairly dubbed the previous system as discriminatory when in fact, this bill is discriminatory. It is designed to favor one nationality and negatively impact all others. Please please vote against this bill in the senate and not let one country's lobby dominate interests of Americans and the citizens from the rest of the world.A more acceptable option to satisfy everyone's wishes could be to introduce a new bill that will raise the limit from 7% to 20% or make it sliding scale as per demand and have it be capped at 20% without exceeding the 50% of GC in total for all the sending countries that have reached their cap. So for example if Indians reach their cap of 20% and Chinese reach their cap of 20% and lets say Mexicans reach their cap of 20%, then don't let these 3 countries get 60%. Just cap them at 50% and divide their percentages equally. There is no point in giving GC to Indians as they will never be US citizens because for that it would require them to relinquish their Indian Citizenship.
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Eric's Opinion
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07/31/2019
This bill will not solve any problems. It will only benefit Indians who have already been in the backlog for several years but as a result, every single country's nationals will wait for 7+ years from the start and the backlog will only be ever increasing. There are simply too many people in the backlog. Every year, more than 150K to 200K people enter the backlog for 140K GCs up for grab. There are simply not enough GCs by the currently very, very low bar: any main applicant's dependent can get a GC with the main applicant, and they TAKE UP THE QUOTA. Every spouse or kid counts as one GC. On average, every applicant brings in 1.0~1.4 dependent. This bill will only shift the misery for some Indians to rest of the world. In addition, why are Indians complaining about the so-called "per country quota" anyway? In 2018, over 50K Indians received GC from the 120K GCs of EB1/2/3 categories: because of the "spillover rule", a rule that assigns unused GC quota to those are in the backlog, Indians are already taking up more than 40% of the GCs. With this bill, everyone else in the world will be blocked by the Indian backlog for 7+ years, then face the ever-increasing backlog during these 7 years. It wll be an endless nightmare to get an US green card for actually high-skilled immigrants.
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    Bills such as HR1044,S386 with large bipartisan support need not be delayed and could be quickly voted on. While we all want a comprehensive immigration reform, but why delay as several immigrant lives & growth continue to be buried with the endless wait.
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    This is a terrible bill. I say this as an Indian. The reason is it rewards mediocrity and fraud. The reason wait times are higher for India is due to a large scale visa fraud which has clogged Indian line due to the overwhelming number of I-140. Companies like HCL, Cognizant abuse it. The average pay for Cognizant petition is 70k, hardly "high", lookup on mybisajobs.com. Further, there are some genuine applicants, however, this bill will reward cheaters along with those few genuine ones. We can't reward cheating. It will increase wait times for every other country including China to about 8 to 10/years. No incentive for people from Africa, Europe, SE Asia to come here. Also, note that UChicago study established that 84% of Ph.D. is actually non-Indian. I have a Ph.D., and I will apply in EB1 queue. You need to understand that even EB1 is abused by outsourcing companies which sent people as " managers and directors", they are neither. If you have followed the news H1b fraud replaced workers at Disney, UCSF, Edison,Aetna and numerous other, these same guys have clogged the system after working six years on H1b. If you want to be fair first step would be separate I-140 coming from the genuine US masters/Ph.D. and those with mediocre degrees from outside the US. Often those with outside degrees will also be the outsourcing company applications. Those with degrees from here should be processed, those from consultancies should be not. The solution is to not male the Rest of the World to suffering because of one nation has engaged in prolonged fraud. Further, there needs to be a public debate onS386/HR1044. If the bill is so good, why is there silence on it? Why is outsourcing lobby trying so hard to ram it through? It is bad for America, American workers, and International students from everywhere including China. The recent 737 Max crash is largely due to a software bug in work done by HCL by "engineers" working at $9/hr. This bill encourages such fraud, displaces American worker, and entirely discourages talent from ROW who make up about 80% PhDs awarded. It is a terrible bill with a profound negative impact on America, it needs to be scraped, and the issue needs public debate.
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    This is a discrimination against region which is not allowed in employment. Please vote yes to end this discrimination. Country of birth is an immutable property and should not be considered while allotting the green cards.
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    There are thousands of great scientists, doctors and engineers from India are currently sitting in EB GC backlog and have to wait 151 years to get their GC. The current US Immigration system, despite the skills and contribution they make to US, never allowed to get GC and always kept a temporary worker and thrown out of the country while waiting in line for years or even decades. This impacts each and every member of the immigrant family. Per-country cap for Employment based visa should be only based on merit. That how H1b works and even how the real world works. This per-country limit for EB category set in 1990 is outdated and is discriminating countries with high population like India, China etc., 86% already of the total Immigrants given Greencards already gave diversity. Employment-based Visa category only accounts for 14% of the total Greencard given. Companies hire Immigrants employees based on skills and not on nationality. Immigrants from any nation, should get Greencard under EB category. Process should be give GC to all without seeing their nationality. Indian/Chinese immigrants are penalized for their country of birth. Indian Immigrants have to wait 151 years to get Greencard under EB-2. These are the folks with Advanced Degree. US is losing on global market competition because of the diversity clause present in the EB visa. Removing Per-country does not favor any single nation, it just makes the process "First Come First Served" and will make US lead in the global market.
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    Estimated wait time for green card for anyone with Indian origin is over 100yrs.. Been in the country legally for last 12 years and been paying taxes and social security and everything. Please don't discriminate based on country on origin. Please do the right thing and vote Yes. Thank you.
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    Yes, I think immigration limits should be increased across the board. I get a little confused by all of the where-as and what-for stuff in the bill. It seems that legislation is needed to assure that petitioners for skilled immigrants are not doing so as a means to reduce labor costs and suppress immigrants from receiving comparable wages and benefits. Also, it seems that legislation is desperately needed to speed up entry processing, background checks and critical evaluations. I’m not sure what all is needed to correct the bottlenecks, but that seems necessary since limits mean very little if we cannot process them. Finally, I am a little skeptical of merit based immigration which gives lesser opportunity to solid hard working families and good human beings. How many Einstein’s would we have dismissed in their formative and most productive years?
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    I and many other Americans and foreigners from different countries other than Indian and China will be negatively impacted if this bill becomes law. Not only it will allow Americans IT workers to be replaced on permanent basis but it will also negatively impact diversity in the immigration system. It will overwhelmingly favor Indians and Chinese nationals. Many of these immigrants are not highly skilled but have secured jobs because of their willingness to take lower salaries. They will displace American workers by thousands. This bill has unfairly dubbed the previous system as discriminatory when in fact, this bill is discriminatory. It is designed to favor one nationality and negatively impact all others. Please please vote against this bill in the senate and not let one country's lobby dominate interests of Americans and the citizens from the rest of the world.A more acceptable option to satisfy everyone's wishes could be to introduce a new bill that will raise the limit from 7% to 20% or make it sliding scale as per demand and have it be capped at 20% without exceeding the 50% of GC in total for all the sending countries that have reached their cap. So for example if Indians reach their cap of 20% and Chinese reach their cap of 20% and lets say Mexicans reach their cap of 20%, then don't let these 3 countries get 60%. Just cap them at 50% and divide their percentages equally. There is no point in giving GC to Indians as they will never be US citizens because for that it would require them to relinquish their Indian Citizenship.
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    This ends discrimination in employment category and removes abuse of the h1b visa. Reduces dependency on foreign workers. Above all this in line with constitutional values that All men must be treated equally.
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    America was built off immigration and this could be beneficial for us. There are thousands of doctors and engineers from other countries that could help our citizens.
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    This bill will not solve any problems. It will only benefit Indians who have already been in the backlog for several years but as a result, every single country's nationals will wait for 7+ years from the start and the backlog will only be ever increasing. There are simply too many people in the backlog. Every year, more than 150K to 200K people enter the backlog for 140K GCs up for grab. There are simply not enough GCs by the currently very, very low bar: any main applicant's dependent can get a GC with the main applicant, and they TAKE UP THE QUOTA. Every spouse or kid counts as one GC. On average, every applicant brings in 1.0~1.4 dependent. This bill will only shift the misery for some Indians to rest of the world. In addition, why are Indians complaining about the so-called "per country quota" anyway? In 2018, over 50K Indians received GC from the 120K GCs of EB1/2/3 categories: because of the "spillover rule", a rule that assigns unused GC quota to those are in the backlog, Indians are already taking up more than 40% of the GCs. With this bill, everyone else in the world will be blocked by the Indian backlog for 7+ years, then face the ever-increasing backlog during these 7 years. It wll be an endless nightmare to get an US green card for actually high-skilled immigrants.
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    Because there is no doubt that First In First Out is the most fair system. My country of Birth was not in my control. So discrimination based on country of birth is unfair.
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    Lifting per country cap will give GC on first come first serve basis, it will eventually help job market. With this cap, employees who are approved for GC have to still depend on employers. Employers knows this and takes undue advantage by delaying deserving promotion or hikes because visa processing is expensive. This pushes the wages down and eventually impacts the market. With GC on first come first serve basis, such overhead charges like visa fees and limitations will not be there. Employees can easily move from one employer to another making workforce more competative and wages will rise. This will help economy and will eventually help everyone.
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    Please vote to pass this bill
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    The per country immigration limits are fundamentally unjust. We need to be doing away with institutionalized racism, not encoding it.
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    Why country cap in employment based gc system ? Does it make sense ? Legal immigrants from large countries waiting in line from decades where as other countries get the gc in less than an year ? To end this discrimination of country the country cap should be lifted.
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    Definitely a common sense bill, to bring fairness in the system. I have seen some of my Indian friends suffer a lot. One lady had to quit her job because of some work authorization issues. It's been crazy, she was very talented as a designer.
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    This is a big step towards fixing legal immigration
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    This is a discrimination against region which is not allowed in employment. Please vote yes to end this discrimination. Country of birth is an immutable property and should not be. Please cancel the per country cap
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    Only 14% of all the green cards issued every year goes to high skilled immigrants. Of that only 6000 goes each country. That means a country as small as Malta receives same amount (6000) of green cards as India. I can understand country caps on other forms of immigration, but employment based immigration be based on skill set and first come first serve basis. This bill will finally provide some respite to individuals after decades long wait to become a permanent resident.
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    Far too long folks have suffered and discriminated for decades based on country of origin which is totally unconstitutional. Countries dont immigrate to usa but individuals do based on their merit!!
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