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senate Bill S. 2943

The $619 Billion Plan For Defense Spending in FY2017

Argument in favor

Congress has a constitutional duty to provide for the national defense, and while this bill is a compromise, it will strengthen the military at a time when threats are increasing and funding is hard to come by.

05/26/2016
While I don't agree with all the appropriations in this bill, what I can agree with is the $59 billion that will be set aside to fund Overseas Contingency Operations. There is no bigger feeling of abandonment than being down range and realizing that you haven't been provided with all the resources you will need to accomplish your mission because the necessary funding wasn't available. I would like to suggest one change though and I am sure I am not the only Patriot who feels this way, but can we please stop referring to what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan as "Overseas Contingency Operations" and start referring to them as what they really are. Combat is Combat. War is War. Not a Contingency Operation.
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operaman's Opinion
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05/26/2016
Eventhough this bill has some PORK, our military needs a vigorous infusion of cash. Is it enough? Nope. Will take years to repair Obama's neglect of our military.
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GrumpyMSgt's Opinion
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05/28/2016
Yes with one caveat: Take the 408 million slated for defensive equipment against IED's and use it for air strikes on all known ISIS strongholds.
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Argument opposed

Even though this bill is similar to the president’s budget proposal for national defense, it misses the mark by diverting $5 billion in warfighting funds to base budget programs. That’s grossly irresponsible.

Laura's Opinion
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06/03/2016
Why not spend this on something that actually helps US citizens? Like education? Healthcare? Infrastructure? Social Security? Veterans Care? Food Stamps? Medical Research? This is a gross amout of money to spend on guns and bombs and soldiers, especially when our biggest security threats are digital.
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Alis's Opinion
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06/14/2016
Really? I thought we were so broke that we can't possibility allow The United States Post Office (a demonstrably profitable & efficient part of the federal government) to continue to exist. And that we are so impoverished that elderly people who had no choice but to pay into Social Security cannot reasonably expect to live their lives with any financial return on their lifetime investment. And that we are so desperately needy that our roads & bridges are dangerous and we can't afford to fix them. And we so embattled & beleaguered by enemies that we must always be at war no matter what the cost but we cannot afford to care for the wounded veterans that have the misfortune of returning from those wars. WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU THINKING? Of course, there is a defense budget. BUT when are you going to stop spending enormous amounts of money that appear to only create a permanent community of destroyed lives--both American & non-American, both the veterans AND their families? This is horrific & has become immoral! Shame on you, Sen Rubio, Sen Nelson!!
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Kyle's Opinion
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05/31/2016
Our military is still too big ad sucks too much funding away from other programs. There is no need to be the world police and our enemies are few. It's time to fight smarter and stop throwing money into worthless military programs that even the military doesn't want.
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  • EnactedDecember 23rd, 2016
    The President signed this bill into law
  • The house Passed December 2nd, 2016
    Roll Call Vote 375 Yea / 34 Nay
  • The senate Passed December 8th, 2016
    Roll Call Vote 92 Yea / 7 Nay
      senate Committees
      Committee on Armed Services
    IntroducedMay 18th, 2016

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    While I don't agree with all the appropriations in this bill, what I can agree with is the $59 billion that will be set aside to fund Overseas Contingency Operations. There is no bigger feeling of abandonment than being down range and realizing that you haven't been provided with all the resources you will need to accomplish your mission because the necessary funding wasn't available. I would like to suggest one change though and I am sure I am not the only Patriot who feels this way, but can we please stop referring to what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan as "Overseas Contingency Operations" and start referring to them as what they really are. Combat is Combat. War is War. Not a Contingency Operation.
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    Why not spend this on something that actually helps US citizens? Like education? Healthcare? Infrastructure? Social Security? Veterans Care? Food Stamps? Medical Research? This is a gross amout of money to spend on guns and bombs and soldiers, especially when our biggest security threats are digital.
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    Really? I thought we were so broke that we can't possibility allow The United States Post Office (a demonstrably profitable & efficient part of the federal government) to continue to exist. And that we are so impoverished that elderly people who had no choice but to pay into Social Security cannot reasonably expect to live their lives with any financial return on their lifetime investment. And that we are so desperately needy that our roads & bridges are dangerous and we can't afford to fix them. And we so embattled & beleaguered by enemies that we must always be at war no matter what the cost but we cannot afford to care for the wounded veterans that have the misfortune of returning from those wars. WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU THINKING? Of course, there is a defense budget. BUT when are you going to stop spending enormous amounts of money that appear to only create a permanent community of destroyed lives--both American & non-American, both the veterans AND their families? This is horrific & has become immoral! Shame on you, Sen Rubio, Sen Nelson!!
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    Eventhough this bill has some PORK, our military needs a vigorous infusion of cash. Is it enough? Nope. Will take years to repair Obama's neglect of our military.
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    Our military is still too big ad sucks too much funding away from other programs. There is no need to be the world police and our enemies are few. It's time to fight smarter and stop throwing money into worthless military programs that even the military doesn't want.
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    Cut the budget. That figure is staggering. Audit the current spending and eliminate waste.
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    We spend more than the next twenty countries combined, 19 of which we consider allies. This is a gross misuse of our tax dollars, fighting people in efforts to protect corporate interests abroad.
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    No substantial threat to our homeland. Isis does not have planes to come bomb us. You cannot stop murder and acts of violence. Especially in the small isolated incidences such as the Isis attacks.
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    To the folks that make the comments like "we spend more on defense than the next 13 countries combined, etc". You're right. We do. But do you know why? I'll clue you in. At the best of times, we have had a 3 million man military. Currently, with this budget being implemented, we'll have about a 1.4 million man standing Army, with a million more in reserve. Now, that sounds like a 2.4 million man military, right? Not quite. Only 460,000 will be active Army, which is who would fight the land war that's coming. And of that, I would say that roughly half to a 1/3 are support. The cooks, the accountants, the mechanics, who don't really face the enemy across lines and do battle. So that leaves us with roughy 250-300k troops who will actually do battle, from the active Army. You can basically leave the Navy and Air Force out, because save a few Special Forces elements, they have no ground forces. The Marines are a small, but very tenacious force, whose numbers probably float around 150k line troops. I'm just spitballing these figures to illustrate, btw, but I'd say they're not ridiculously far off. So to conclude, we have about a half-million man standing military that can take the fight to the enemy, and keep the wolves away until we can spool up our reserve forces for some relief. China and Russia have about the same numbers of men, and in some cases more equipment, given that they spool up their men and attack first. Which in all likelihood is what will happen, as our people would never allow us to strike first. Almost always throughout history we have been numerically inferior, and we have to hold our technological advantage to equal it out. That's why we have to spend as much as the next thirteen countries on defense. Wow that was long winded
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    I think the Dick Cheney's of this country have had enough of the public teat. How about taking care of vets rather than creating them
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    Yes with one caveat: Take the 408 million slated for defensive equipment against IED's and use it for air strikes on all known ISIS strongholds.
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    I am a firm believer in a well-trained armed forces, however, increasing defense spending is absolutely unnecessary. The United States is struggling to revitalize its middle and working class citizens, so I believe we should cut defense spending significantly. First, we should listen to the Pentagon's recommendations on the bases it wants to decommission and go from there. The rest of this money can be put forth for social services and infrastructure spending.
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    Congress should be spending less on defense. We have more problems than expanding our military. We have the largest in the world.
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    There's money in the budget for old time military spending such as aircraft carriers, tanks, etc. How about more spending on technology-based equipment?
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    This is a bloated and ridiculous budget. Seems like zero thought was put into making dollars go further.
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    Stay out of foreign affairs that do not directly threaten our nation. $3 billion a year to Israel is enough. We have more important issues on our Homefront. Like climate change. Homelessness. Child poverty. National poverty and hunger.
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    We already spend too much on defense. Divert some of that money to education or human services programs
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    Why are we spending so much money on killing people overseas when we need to invest in our own country's infrastructure, education, etc?
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    No more war spending until healthcare and VA are fully funded
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    war is bad
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