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senate Bill S. 231

Should the U.S. Investigate the Escape of Saudi Students Who Flee the Country While Facing Criminal Charges?

Argument in favor

The Saudi government has very likely played a role in helping Saudi students facing criminal proceedings in the U.S. and Canada escape before their trial dates, or before serving their full terms. This undermines the U.S. justice system, and needs to be investigated and punished.

Dara's Opinion
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12/08/2019
Absolutely our State Department should be all over any possible criminals that flee our country. We have been granting full pardons to Saudis that are in bed with our GOP “friends” for decades. They love that money. Whores!
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Kevin 's Opinion
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12/08/2019
The only plane in the air after the 9/11 ground stop was a Saudia flight bringing a plane load of millionaires back to the Kingdom. The Saudi government routinely assists wealthy and connected “students” to abscond. That’s when they’re not busy dismembering Lawful US Resident members of our press corps. The Saudi regime is not our ally.
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Calvin's Opinion
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12/08/2019
Absolutely as they are helped by the vile Saudis government. When will our leaders learn the Saudis are not and have never been our friends. They financed the 9/11 attacks and terrorism worldwide.
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Argument opposed

The Saudi government government has already denied its role in any cases where its citizens have disappeared from the U.S. while facing criminal charges. Pressing the issue further now, at a time of already-heightened U.S.-Saudi tensions, would hurt the critical U.S.-Saudi alliance.

jimK's Opinion
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12/08/2019
TickTock: Right On! … … … We have given the Saudi’s pass after pass, have given them our military tech and design details, turned a blind eye to Saudi state sponsored assassination of a US resident who dared to speak out against them and we are helping them to destroy Yemen. What have we become? Where are our ideals? What do we stand for? I know trump was really happy about how much stuff the Saudi’s bought from us, and has mush-mouthed any potential condemnation. Is that it? Have our goals been reduced to just the next great deal? Are we willing to sacrifice our country’s soul for cash? Having principles is often pretty hard work. Supporting ideals, honoring Oaths and having ‘purpose’ is neither expedient nor easy, but it is necessary to win the future. It is hard, it takes long term commitment, it takes resolve to do what is ‘right’ because it is ‘right’ and it means passing up the next great deal- if it means sacrificing winning the future. The issue here lies with our official relations with the Saudi government and not in the details of how they helped their citizen’s escape American justice.
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Ticktock's Opinion
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12/08/2019
What’s to investigate? The U.S. Government has given the Saudis a by for years. The State Dept knows the score. Saudi nationals break the law, go to the Embassy and they make it possible for them to leave the country. This is not new and will not change under the Trump Administration. It was not long ago that a U.S. national killed a cyclist in a vehicle accident and left the United Kingdom claiming diplomatic immunity. An investigation will accomplish nothing. It’s a political stunt. If something is to be done sanction the Saudi Government for assisting a fugitive from justice. The U.S. Government doesn’t have the guts to do that particularly if they will not address the involvement of citizens of Saudi Arabia participation in 9/11.
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burrkitty's Opinion
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12/08/2019
Saudi Arabia is no friend of the USA, but this is a brownie point political stunt. Yanking you’re citizens out of trouble is kind of the point of citizenship. We do it too. That woman that killed someone in the U.K.? Same deal. Is it good? Right? Moral? Ehhh... no. At least, not always. But Imprisonments on trumped up charges for political reasons is also a real thing that happens to people. So it’s hard to criticize. Very much the pot calling the kettle black. It is absolutely a tragedy for the victims and their families, but from the perspective of national security the issue is larger than any individual crime. It does tell us where some of the holes in our judicial process are though.
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      Committee on Foreign Relations
    IntroducedJanuary 25th, 2019
    Absolutely our State Department should be all over any possible criminals that flee our country. We have been granting full pardons to Saudis that are in bed with our GOP “friends” for decades. They love that money. Whores!
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    TickTock: Right On! … … … We have given the Saudi’s pass after pass, have given them our military tech and design details, turned a blind eye to Saudi state sponsored assassination of a US resident who dared to speak out against them and we are helping them to destroy Yemen. What have we become? Where are our ideals? What do we stand for? I know trump was really happy about how much stuff the Saudi’s bought from us, and has mush-mouthed any potential condemnation. Is that it? Have our goals been reduced to just the next great deal? Are we willing to sacrifice our country’s soul for cash? Having principles is often pretty hard work. Supporting ideals, honoring Oaths and having ‘purpose’ is neither expedient nor easy, but it is necessary to win the future. It is hard, it takes long term commitment, it takes resolve to do what is ‘right’ because it is ‘right’ and it means passing up the next great deal- if it means sacrificing winning the future. The issue here lies with our official relations with the Saudi government and not in the details of how they helped their citizen’s escape American justice.
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    What’s to investigate? The U.S. Government has given the Saudis a by for years. The State Dept knows the score. Saudi nationals break the law, go to the Embassy and they make it possible for them to leave the country. This is not new and will not change under the Trump Administration. It was not long ago that a U.S. national killed a cyclist in a vehicle accident and left the United Kingdom claiming diplomatic immunity. An investigation will accomplish nothing. It’s a political stunt. If something is to be done sanction the Saudi Government for assisting a fugitive from justice. The U.S. Government doesn’t have the guts to do that particularly if they will not address the involvement of citizens of Saudi Arabia participation in 9/11.
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    The only plane in the air after the 9/11 ground stop was a Saudia flight bringing a plane load of millionaires back to the Kingdom. The Saudi government routinely assists wealthy and connected “students” to abscond. That’s when they’re not busy dismembering Lawful US Resident members of our press corps. The Saudi regime is not our ally.
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    Saudi Arabia is no friend of the USA, but this is a brownie point political stunt. Yanking you’re citizens out of trouble is kind of the point of citizenship. We do it too. That woman that killed someone in the U.K.? Same deal. Is it good? Right? Moral? Ehhh... no. At least, not always. But Imprisonments on trumped up charges for political reasons is also a real thing that happens to people. So it’s hard to criticize. Very much the pot calling the kettle black. It is absolutely a tragedy for the victims and their families, but from the perspective of national security the issue is larger than any individual crime. It does tell us where some of the holes in our judicial process are though.
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    Absolutely as they are helped by the vile Saudis government. When will our leaders learn the Saudis are not and have never been our friends. They financed the 9/11 attacks and terrorism worldwide.
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    Yes, we don’t owe the Saudi’s anything. We have our own petroleum, so why do we bow down to them. If they commit a crime then they need to pay. But as usual our government will bow down and do nothing. Sad, but true.
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    The Saudis not unlike Trump get away with murder. This is literally true for the both of them.
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    I don't trust the Saudi government to hold their own people accountable, since they still have done nothing to atone for 9/11 nor the murder of Khasoggi. We need to act to protect ourselves from radicalized students who come here to study. I don't want to stop accepting students from countries such as Saudi Arabia, but we do need stronger ways to ensure they comply with our laws and cannot escape if they commit crimes, but we should not include the Saudi government in the process.
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    Why would law enforcement activities suddenly becoming legislative acts in Congress? Is this how we will handle every crime? Let FBI, State Department l, CIA, Defense handle the investigation as they would any other crime occurring on a global scale involving the US.
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    The Saudi's have gotten a pass for years. Remember 911? It's time to hold them to account. Oh, but wait, the president of the United States is above the law so why not the Saudi's. It must be nice to be held to a different standard than the rest of us. Then there was the French Revolution.
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    I'm I to understand that Countable must receive enough YES votes for the FBI to investigate this act of terrorism?
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    Why is this a question??? What’s the next vote Single or double ply toilet paper Get serious
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    Congress just working for a few people not working for the citizens.
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    ... but they won’t because the Saudis own Trump and the Republicans. What a joke.
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    Yes, this should have already been investigated by the State Department.
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    The Saudis are not our friends. They are responsible for 911. 15 of the 19 high jackers were Saudi citizens. They are responsible for the murder of an American journalist Jamal Khashoggi. And now a Saudi citizen we were training on our military base has murdered and hurt several people. I never agreed with the invasion of Iraq. We should have gone straight to Saudi Arabia. Don’t forget while the people on base in Florida were being murdered. Trump bowed his head and received the highest honor that can be awarded to a civilian from Saudi Arabia! By all means, Cornyn, Cruz and Flores. Let this sorry excuse for a president continue to kiss the a$$es of those who wish death to America! Lord knows all three of you care more about the money they line your pockets with than you care about your own children!
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    Yes because Donald Trump thinks that Saudi Arabia is so very good to the United States we need to keep track of what’s happening. Because they’re not so very good to the United States
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    Why wouldn’t we investigate such criminals?
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    Of course. I couldn’t care less about their homeland. Any crime on this soil should be handled. I’m not saying we go to war over one person but we can’t give free reign to nations who don’t share our views of the constitution.
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