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house Bill H.R. 6302

Do Secret Service Agents Need Back Pay for the Unpaid Overtime They Worked in 2016?

Argument in favor

Secret Service agents put their lives on the line daily to protect our nation’s leaders, they deserve to be paid for every minute they’re on the clock and to receive back pay for overtime that wouldn’t be paid under current law.

Mick's Opinion
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11/29/2016
I think a lot of you are missing some data in the salary vs hourly discussion. Currently Secret Service agents *already* receive overtime as part of their existing pay package. Overtime is actually common for many (probably most) police officers and firemen, so this isn't really extraordinary. The problem is that there is a $160,300 pay cap written into federal law - for everything including overtime. With the truly crazy hours they have had to work this year, many have worked so many hours of overtime that they have dramatically exceeded the cap. I believe many of them had entire months when they would have longed for a week of only working 70 hours. I think it's only fair that if we're going to demand that the work ridiculous hours in election years, that we be willing to pay then the overtime that they would normally be allowed to receive, even it it exceeds a cap designed to cover less extraordinary circumstances. Frankly for security professionals of their caliber, I think a $160,300 cap is too low, especially for those who have to live in Washington DC. With their skills, experienced agents could earn *much* more that that in the private sector. Lots of rich people would love to have former Secret Service agents on their security staff. I'm not saying that the US Govt. has to *match* private sector wages, only that we need to avoid underpaying the to the point where it's embarrassing - and we may not be all that far away from it. If they work ridiculous amounts of overtime that they'd normally be paid for, I think is foolish to the them they can't have what they earned because the number is larger that one someone wrote down at some point. Paying them the overtime they earned, in election years, is far cheaper than hiring and training enough staff to handle election year protection detail staffing requirements without overtime. Failure to pay them what they deserve will simply lead the more experienced agents to seek employment elsewhere as soon as things "calm down". There are certainly financial benefits to replacing experienced staff (who are hopefully earning more than their starting wage) with less experienced, lower paid "green" agents. But it's also expensive to train new agents, and an agent fresh from initial training doesn't have critical experience. You need agents who, in the middle of pressing crowds along a road, can sense that something feels "wrong" - even with all of the confusion that happens with crowds. That's not something that you can learn in school. You have to be in enough crowds to know what it's *supposed* to feel like, and be tuned in enough to all of the sensory overload that you can recognize that something is wrong even before it becomes obvious what the problem is. I say that a workman is worthy of his wages. Raise or suspend the cap, at least in election years, or change some definition to make overtime exempt from the cap, or something. But we need to find a way to pay these heroes what they deserve. They are professionals of the highest order, and we should pay them fairly.
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Preston's Opinion
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11/28/2016
This is a no-brained. Overtime is already a part of the law. Those who put their lives on the line should receive due compensation for doing their jobs.
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Ivan's Opinion
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11/28/2016
They worked extra long this grueling campaign season. They deserve it.
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Argument opposed

Secret Service agents don’t do their job for a paycheck, they do it because they want to keep our nation’s leaders safe and willingly signed up for that despite knowing about the pay cap.

Tedd's Opinion
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11/28/2016
Secret Service agents are on a salary just like the military and the rest of the government. If you are going to move them to an hourly wage and credit them with overtime pay then you should be doing it for the rest as well.
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SherryTX's Opinion
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11/27/2016
As soon as our military are paid overtime I'll agree to this bill.
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Caroline's Opinion
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11/28/2016
As salaried workers, overtime does not apply. That said, the salary is associated with an average number of hours worked per year. When the average number of hours is exceeded, a bonus structure could be in place. Or, in presidential election years, the salary increased accordingly.
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bill Progress


  • EnactedDecember 16th, 2016
    The President signed this bill into law
  • The senate Passed December 10th, 2016
    Passed by Voice Vote
  • The house Passed November 30th, 2016
    Passed by Voice Vote
      house Committees
      Committee on Oversight and Reform
    IntroducedNovember 14th, 2016

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    I think a lot of you are missing some data in the salary vs hourly discussion. Currently Secret Service agents *already* receive overtime as part of their existing pay package. Overtime is actually common for many (probably most) police officers and firemen, so this isn't really extraordinary. The problem is that there is a $160,300 pay cap written into federal law - for everything including overtime. With the truly crazy hours they have had to work this year, many have worked so many hours of overtime that they have dramatically exceeded the cap. I believe many of them had entire months when they would have longed for a week of only working 70 hours. I think it's only fair that if we're going to demand that the work ridiculous hours in election years, that we be willing to pay then the overtime that they would normally be allowed to receive, even it it exceeds a cap designed to cover less extraordinary circumstances. Frankly for security professionals of their caliber, I think a $160,300 cap is too low, especially for those who have to live in Washington DC. With their skills, experienced agents could earn *much* more that that in the private sector. Lots of rich people would love to have former Secret Service agents on their security staff. I'm not saying that the US Govt. has to *match* private sector wages, only that we need to avoid underpaying the to the point where it's embarrassing - and we may not be all that far away from it. If they work ridiculous amounts of overtime that they'd normally be paid for, I think is foolish to the them they can't have what they earned because the number is larger that one someone wrote down at some point. Paying them the overtime they earned, in election years, is far cheaper than hiring and training enough staff to handle election year protection detail staffing requirements without overtime. Failure to pay them what they deserve will simply lead the more experienced agents to seek employment elsewhere as soon as things "calm down". There are certainly financial benefits to replacing experienced staff (who are hopefully earning more than their starting wage) with less experienced, lower paid "green" agents. But it's also expensive to train new agents, and an agent fresh from initial training doesn't have critical experience. You need agents who, in the middle of pressing crowds along a road, can sense that something feels "wrong" - even with all of the confusion that happens with crowds. That's not something that you can learn in school. You have to be in enough crowds to know what it's *supposed* to feel like, and be tuned in enough to all of the sensory overload that you can recognize that something is wrong even before it becomes obvious what the problem is. I say that a workman is worthy of his wages. Raise or suspend the cap, at least in election years, or change some definition to make overtime exempt from the cap, or something. But we need to find a way to pay these heroes what they deserve. They are professionals of the highest order, and we should pay them fairly.
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    Secret Service agents are on a salary just like the military and the rest of the government. If you are going to move them to an hourly wage and credit them with overtime pay then you should be doing it for the rest as well.
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    As soon as our military are paid overtime I'll agree to this bill.
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    As salaried workers, overtime does not apply. That said, the salary is associated with an average number of hours worked per year. When the average number of hours is exceeded, a bonus structure could be in place. Or, in presidential election years, the salary increased accordingly.
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    I worked crazy "overtime" in the US Army, and not once say overtime pay. That's because we were on salaries. The Secret Service is the same. Why should one group be different from another government group?
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    You work you get paid for it.
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    If someone does their job, they should be paid. “For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.” ‭‭(I Timothy‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬) However, the Secret Service aren't exactly being paid peanuts! If they signed on for that job, with the understanding that there was a salary cap, maybe the law should be changed. Especially considering the fact that the world (including the USA) has become a much more dangerous place! Our military and LEOs should be appropriately compensated for doing a job that requires them to put their lives on the line every day. (My son said, "Anything that might limit the amount of money Obama can give to Iran/terrorists sounds like a good thing to me!" LOL!)
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    This is a no-brained. Overtime is already a part of the law. Those who put their lives on the line should receive due compensation for doing their jobs.
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    They worked extra long this grueling campaign season. They deserve it.
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    Yes, SS agents are eligible for OT unless that OT was earned in a brothel or boozing at a bar.
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    If you put in overtime, you should be paid for it, whether you are a secret service agent or a checker at Walmart and all jobs in between. Don't start screaming about all the businesses that can't afford this. If companies can't afford to pay people for all their hours, they can't expect people to work for free.
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    Reviewing the salary cap for future years is a good idea, however I don't think we should vote on back pay when employees were aware of cap and a yes vote would pay for past work not in budget.
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    Having a position such as Secret Service means every moment counts... these people have dedicated their lives to protect our nations leaders. Our leaders are safe due to their hard work. Without them, it would be a whole easier to hurt the government. They deserve it..
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    $160K is ample pay for knowingly signing on for the job. Military individuals also protect this country daily for a lot less and NO overtime. Our police force also protect us daily. Secret Service Agents are salaried and receive comp time in lieu of OT. I realize it can and is a dangerous job and have my utmost respect, but you knew what the job entailed and paid. My answer is no.
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    I don't think that Congress should be spending time reviewing legislation that affects such a small group of people. Overtime is already a part of the law. If these agents are eligible for overtime, then they should be paid overtime. If they are not, then they should not. Very simple.
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    I have been giving this particular bill a great deal of thought since seeing it pop up in my Countable feed. I am a man who firmly believes in being paid for the work that you do. I was raised this way and this is what I believe. Now I understand it is the job of the Secret Service to protect our nation’s leaders, and that to me is a very commendable, honorable, and selfless endeavor to undertake. For this, this should be paid and paid well. However, nobody accepts this awesome responsibility because they are looking to get rich. Let me share with you an experience of mine. After I had graduated from the Army’s Officer Candidate School and was nearing completion of the 16 week long Infantry Basic Officer Leadership Course that all Army Infantry Officers have to graduate from before receiving their “Blue Cord” We were 10 days into an 11 day field training and evaluation exercise. Essentially, this is the Army’s way at making damn sure you have learned what you will need to know before being given the awesome responsibility of leading an actual Infantry Rifle Platoon. So how does the Army ensure that you are ready to be placed in this situation? By breaking you down physically, mentally, and pushing you harder and further than anything up to this point. Your days become 23 hours long, you eat once maybe twice if you are lucky, you don’t rest, you don’t stop, you keep going running one evolution after another and being graded and scored on everything you do. I can remember being so sleep deprived, that at one point we were on patrol and I didn’t even realize I had fallen asleep because my brain was still showing me the last image it had processed before I blacked out. For our last day in the field, we had to ruck march 16 miles and conduct one final assault. All that was left of us were empty shells of the men who had started this exercise a week and a half ago. But when it was done, when we were waiting for the trucks to come and pick us up to take us back to the barracks, our Commander spoke to us. One of the things he said that I remember and carried with me all the way through my deployment in Afghanistan, “Gentlemen, we don’t do this for a paycheck. We do this because we believe there are things worth doing that can’t be compensated for in a paycheck.” When I was downrange, it didn’t matter what rank you wore on your collar, you didn’t do what we did for a paycheck. You did it because you believed in what you were doing. So do I think that Secret Service agents deserve to be paid well, yes I do. But do they deserve a bill that will compensate them for back pay for previous overtime that they worked? No. But, if we really want to discuss compensation for time worked, why don’t we start with all the men and women who served in a forward area and didn’t get a day off until they returned home.
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    If working, they should be paid
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    Equal pay for equal work, unless it cuts into the budget for Obama's golfing and vacations.
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    It's the right thing to do
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    Nobody should work overtime and not get paid overtime for it
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