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house Bill H.R. 4258

Should Families in Subsidized Housing Projects be Eligible for the Family Self-Sufficiency Program?

Argument in favor

This is a commonsense, bipartisan bill that will help low-income families in subsidized housing projects become self-sufficient.

mkettleson's Opinion
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01/15/2018
It is in the interest of every taxpayer to ensure that funding of low-income housing continues without penalizing those who have no alternatives. The burden for providing them a pathway to something better should be born by those who can actually create one. Fund public college fully. Fund health care for all. Fund creative partnerships with business to get good jobs offered to low-income youth snd unemployed 50- and 60-year-old workers. I changed my position on this bill based on the support of the bill by those who strongly support a healthy safety net, including fully-funded public housing.
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Jennifer 's Opinion
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01/16/2018
On the left we have those (Erin) who will vote NO on ANY bill sponsored by a Republican. It does not matter if it benefits those in poverty or children. NO, NO, NO! How elitist an attitude, and is what is very wrong with the entire resistance movement. On the right ANY government assistance garners a NO vote, giving the left the constant mantra, “Conservatives are heartless bastards!” Although, I think the closer we stick to following our Constitution the better off we are, there are some things we must consider about this legislation: 1) It is part of easing regulations by consolidating programs that are already in existence (but yes it will make it permanent), 2) It will broaden the scope to move an entire household to work toward self-sufficiency(SS)—hopefully working on generational poverty, 3) It allows a family to participate in a PROGRAM where they MUST set SS goals, 4) Allows increased wages to go to an escrow account instead of just to an increase in their rent, and 5) There will always be those who need assistance, unless we want persons with disabilities forced to live in group homes or with parents their entire lives, domestic violence survivors forced to keep their children in a violent home with no way out, or military vets increasing our homeless population due to PTSD and other factors. This program works to get people off of public assistance in a meaningful way. I vote yes, and for those who don’t want to just make knee-jerk reaction, here is an easily understood explanation of the program: https://www.hudexchange.info/trainings/fss-program-online-training/phone/1.2-what-is-fss.html
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Matthew's Opinion
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01/15/2018
Not a function of government, but, anything we can do that would allow them a ladder up while the program exists will help make them less dependent on the state.
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Argument opposed

The Family Self-Sufficiency program wouldn’t be beneficial to low-income families who live in subsidized housing.

Erin's Opinion
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01/15/2018
Because a republican has sponsored this bill, I say no. There will inevitably be language hidden in the bill somewhere that will eventually take away some necessary benefit from those who truly need it. Once the republicans stop blindly following trump, I will stop automatically voting against anything sponsored by a republican.
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Jennifer I totally agree with you I had absolutely no peace with my vote but I don’t have much peace with a yay either. I just don’t see how we get back to small government while continuing on our current big government bureaucracy path. There’s so much money in this country and lots of people with hearts big enough that these things could be accomplished on a state level. Furthermore, if Hollywood was really so concerned about the poor I suppose they’d put their time and energy into making trailers about this kind of thing rather than attempting to hijack the Republican nominee at any rate,LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC AND GOD BLESS THESE UNITED STATES a nd I mean no disrespect to either side or Hollywood or their fans. 545 vs. 300,000,000 People -By Charlie Reese Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits? Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes? You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank. I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes. Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. ( The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.) The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?( John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. ) If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. [The House has passed a budget but the Senate has not approved a budget in over three years. The President's proposed budgets have gotten almost unanimous rejections in the Senate in that time. ] It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan .. If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees... We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. What you do with this article now that you have read it... is up to you. This might be funny if it weren't so true. Be sure to read all the way to the end: Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table, At which he's fed. Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule. Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts anyway! Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt. Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think. Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears. Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ass. Tax all he has Then let him know That you won't be done Till he has no dough. When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He's good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he's laid... Put these words Upon his tomb, 'Taxes drove me to my doom...' When he's gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon) Gross Receipts Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Personal Property Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service Charge Tax Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax Sales Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What in the heck happened? Can you spell 'politicians?' I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!! GO AHEAD. . . BE AN AMERICAN!!! SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW Like · · Share · 2 hours ago via mobile ·
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operaman's Opinion
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01/15/2018
The government has no business creating/managing/supporting any housing projects anywhere. These "projects" were the first sanctuary city type "sh*tholds."
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bill Progress


  • Not enacted
    The President has not signed this bill
  • The senate has not voted
      senate Committees
      Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
  • The house Passed January 17th, 2018
    Roll Call Vote 412 Yea / 5 Nay
      house Committees
      Committee on Financial Services
    IntroducedNovember 6th, 2017

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What is House Bill H.R. 4258?

This bill would make the Family Self-Sufficiency (FSS) program administered by the Dept. of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) available to residents of project-based, subsidized housing (such as Section 8 or 9 housing). FSS combines affordable, stable housing for families in public with work-promoting service coordination and a rent incentive in the form of an escrow account that grows as families’ earnings increase and can be applied to work-related purchases or a down-payment on a home. The bill would consolidate HUD’s two FSS programs into one, allow tenants in privately-owned properties that receive project-based assistance to participate in FSS, and remove a limit on the amount that can be deposited into escrow accounts. Additionally, it would permanently reauthorize the FSS.

Impact

Families in subsidized project-based housing; and HUD.

Cost of House Bill H.R. 4258

$13.00 Million
The CBO estimates that enacting this bill would cost $13 million over the 2018-2022 period.

More Information

In-Depth: Original cosponsor Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (D-MO) offered the following statement on his and Rep. Sean Duffy’s (R-WI) bill to improve HUD’s Family Self-Sufficiency program:

“Growing up in public housing, I am well aware of how important it is that we provide residents with opportunities to become independent and self-sufficient. A program like FSS helps participants access essential supportive services -- putting them on a path towards success. The program has strong support nationally and has been successful in improving outcomes in my own Congressional district.”

This legislation passed the House Financial Services Committee on a 58-0 vote and has the support of seven bipartisan cosponsors in the House, including six Democrats and one Republican.


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Summary by Eric Revell

(Photo Credit: Peeter Viisimaa / iStock)

AKA

Family Self-Sufficiency Act

Official Title

To promote the development of local strategies to coordinate use of assistance under sections 8 and 9 of the United States Housing Act of 1937 with public and private resources, to enable eligible families to achieve economic independence and self-sufficiency, and for other purposes.

    It is in the interest of every taxpayer to ensure that funding of low-income housing continues without penalizing those who have no alternatives. The burden for providing them a pathway to something better should be born by those who can actually create one. Fund public college fully. Fund health care for all. Fund creative partnerships with business to get good jobs offered to low-income youth snd unemployed 50- and 60-year-old workers. I changed my position on this bill based on the support of the bill by those who strongly support a healthy safety net, including fully-funded public housing.
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    Because a republican has sponsored this bill, I say no. There will inevitably be language hidden in the bill somewhere that will eventually take away some necessary benefit from those who truly need it. Once the republicans stop blindly following trump, I will stop automatically voting against anything sponsored by a republican.
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    On the left we have those (Erin) who will vote NO on ANY bill sponsored by a Republican. It does not matter if it benefits those in poverty or children. NO, NO, NO! How elitist an attitude, and is what is very wrong with the entire resistance movement. On the right ANY government assistance garners a NO vote, giving the left the constant mantra, “Conservatives are heartless bastards!” Although, I think the closer we stick to following our Constitution the better off we are, there are some things we must consider about this legislation: 1) It is part of easing regulations by consolidating programs that are already in existence (but yes it will make it permanent), 2) It will broaden the scope to move an entire household to work toward self-sufficiency(SS)—hopefully working on generational poverty, 3) It allows a family to participate in a PROGRAM where they MUST set SS goals, 4) Allows increased wages to go to an escrow account instead of just to an increase in their rent, and 5) There will always be those who need assistance, unless we want persons with disabilities forced to live in group homes or with parents their entire lives, domestic violence survivors forced to keep their children in a violent home with no way out, or military vets increasing our homeless population due to PTSD and other factors. This program works to get people off of public assistance in a meaningful way. I vote yes, and for those who don’t want to just make knee-jerk reaction, here is an easily understood explanation of the program: https://www.hudexchange.info/trainings/fss-program-online-training/phone/1.2-what-is-fss.html
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    Jennifer I totally agree with you I had absolutely no peace with my vote but I don’t have much peace with a yay either. I just don’t see how we get back to small government while continuing on our current big government bureaucracy path. There’s so much money in this country and lots of people with hearts big enough that these things could be accomplished on a state level. Furthermore, if Hollywood was really so concerned about the poor I suppose they’d put their time and energy into making trailers about this kind of thing rather than attempting to hijack the Republican nominee at any rate,LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC AND GOD BLESS THESE UNITED STATES a nd I mean no disrespect to either side or Hollywood or their fans. 545 vs. 300,000,000 People -By Charlie Reese Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits? Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes? You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank. I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes. Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. ( The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.) The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?( John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. ) If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. [The House has passed a budget but the Senate has not approved a budget in over three years. The President's proposed budgets have gotten almost unanimous rejections in the Senate in that time. ] It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan .. If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees... We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. What you do with this article now that you have read it... is up to you. This might be funny if it weren't so true. Be sure to read all the way to the end: Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table, At which he's fed. Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule. Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts anyway! Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt. Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think. Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears. Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ass. Tax all he has Then let him know That you won't be done Till he has no dough. When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He's good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he's laid... Put these words Upon his tomb, 'Taxes drove me to my doom...' When he's gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon) Gross Receipts Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Personal Property Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service Charge Tax Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax Sales Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What in the heck happened? Can you spell 'politicians?' I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!! GO AHEAD. . . BE AN AMERICAN!!! SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW Like · · Share · 2 hours ago via mobile ·
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    Not a function of government, but, anything we can do that would allow them a ladder up while the program exists will help make them less dependent on the state.
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    The government has no business creating/managing/supporting any housing projects anywhere. These "projects" were the first sanctuary city type "sh*tholds."
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    So the war on anyone who is not a wealthy so-called white male continues from the Republican Party. No! There are people who cannot work. Jobs that are available are often paying too little for realistic survival. The class war to destroy the poor must end!
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    It’s very important for low income families to become self sufficient. When they achieve this they should no longer have to rely upon government assistance programs allowing for others in need to get the proper help. Government assistance is not permanent and there should be an easier way for those who are actually trying to be self sufficient to end their reliance on such programs.
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    There aren’t enough jobs for everyone that’s able to work.
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    No no no, yet another class warfare bill from the Republicans. It is in everyone's interest to support those in need.
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    Agreed. Gov must make sure people are not milking the system. They must be on the pathway out of these Section 8 programs. Not sit there a lifetime...
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    This sounds like a common sense approach and I support it.
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    Anything to get the people to stand on their own and secure a job.
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    Yes, definitely. As a matter of fact information regarding eligibility should be distributed to families when they are approved for section 8 so they can pursue self-sufficiency as a goal. Years ago members of my family moved from public housing to homeownership and 1 generation later 90% of my family members are homeowners.
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    This needs to happen at not only the lical level, but also the state level and especially supported with federal funds. Just because you gave money to billionaires doesn't dismiss your duty to support opportunities for those stuck with no options. Educate these people. Provide training for jobs that can support them and their families. Create safe and efficient transportation systems. Safe cities. And also remember MANY OF US ARE DISABLED AND/ OR ELDERLY. FORCED UNDERPAID LABOR DOESN'T RESOLVE EVERY ISSUE.
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    This will only effect those that are willing to work. Too many receiving Government housing are not, and instead will put greater effort towards not working. But as this will downsize at least a part of the Federal Government, it will be worth it in the long run.
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    Enjoy your warm bed while the less fortunate are sleeping on the street cause you represent your own wants and needs not your constituents the Republican motto take from the poor for the rich and rape and pillage the natural world all in the name of greed
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    It’s not expensive and maybe this will help those on subsidize housing to eventually leave the program over a few years. It’s time to start considering the government is not in place to be a caregiver. It’s time to start being responsible for your own self.
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    Why not? Sounds like a good idea... give people the teachings and resources they need to no longer need your help in the long run.
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    Way past time to start cutting back on all the government welfare programs.
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