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house Bill H.R. 4127

The Mostly Secret Intelligence Budget for FY2016

Argument in favor

Between acts of terrorism and aggressive posturing by nations like China and Russia, there are numerous threats to America's national security in the world today. Increasing funding for intelligence activities will help policymakers make informed decisions and be aware of changes.

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12/01/2015
Stopping this from going forward in the name of transparency is silly. Should your local police force notify you when a sting operation is going down in your neighborhood and tip off the bad actors in the process? Let's use common sense people and stop this fallacy of thinking that all information needs to be freely available at all times. Transparency for the sake of transparency compromises our sources and puts real lives at risk.
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Sean's Opinion
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04/02/2016
I might be reading it wrong, but looks like it is mostly in an effort to spy on the Russians. Personally, I think the Russians are the least of our problems, and we need to be directing most of our Intel work, towards the Middle East, and other countries in the control of anyone having anything to do with Islam. It's radical Islam that we are At war with, not Putin.
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John's Opinion
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03/22/2016
There's things citizens don't need to know and damn sure don't need transparency were in a damn war let war people fight it an the arm chair poloticians including this president an all his non colonialising henchmen
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Argument opposed

There needs to be a substantial change in how intelligence activities are funded to increase transparency. There's no reason to support legislation if you don't know all of what's in it. Aside from that, this bill uses budget gimmicks and undercuts the President's funding request.

Loraki's Opinion
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12/02/2015
I want to see a lot more accountability on the part of all of the intelligence agencies, especially the CIA and the State (and others) Dept.'s involvement in such activities as gun running and trying to topple foreign governments! Remember Benghazi?! How about Fast and Furious? How about all the drug dealings by the CIA? Do the ends always justify the means?! And how often are the "ends" what we the People would approve of?! I can see the need for a certain amount of secrecy, but I think much of it might simply be our government's covering its you-know-what! Of Note: All the secrecy surrounding intelligence appropriations have led to this bill's (and it's predecessors) nickname, the ‘Black Budget.’ However, the public has a pretty good idea of what might receive funding, and at what levels — thanks to the release of a top-secret budget summary from the 2013 fiscal year from Edward Snowden. That year, the intelligence community received more than $52 billion in funding, $14.7 billion of which went to the CIA, while the National Security Agency and National Reconnaissance Office received $10.8 and $10.3 billion, respectively. The majority of the total funding from that year was given to intelligence gathering and counterterrorism, at a level of $20.1 billion and $17.2 billion, respectively.
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operaman's Opinion
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12/01/2015
This sounds like "fill in the blank check" type of question? Obama would use the funds to use on his illegal immigration program or bring in more Syria ISIS refugees. He may choose to take an expensive vacation and call it a "fact finding" inquiry as to if Mis. POTUS is ALLERGIC to Fiji air.
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Alis's Opinion
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12/01/2015
I worry that in the name of protecting us in secret, the freedoms & rights of citizenry have become irrelevant to lawmakers. In the world of the constant campaign, fundraising & sound byte, I doubt anyone in the House of Representatives has considered anyone except donors for so long, they have forgotten we exist. And, at least, Sen Rubio has forgotten he has a day job!
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  • Not enacted
    The President has not signed this bill
  • The senate has not voted
  • The house Passed December 1st, 2015
    Roll Call Vote 364 Yea / 58 Nay
      house Committees
      Committee on the Budget
    IntroducedNovember 30th, 2015

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    I want to see a lot more accountability on the part of all of the intelligence agencies, especially the CIA and the State (and others) Dept.'s involvement in such activities as gun running and trying to topple foreign governments! Remember Benghazi?! How about Fast and Furious? How about all the drug dealings by the CIA? Do the ends always justify the means?! And how often are the "ends" what we the People would approve of?! I can see the need for a certain amount of secrecy, but I think much of it might simply be our government's covering its you-know-what! Of Note: All the secrecy surrounding intelligence appropriations have led to this bill's (and it's predecessors) nickname, the ‘Black Budget.’ However, the public has a pretty good idea of what might receive funding, and at what levels — thanks to the release of a top-secret budget summary from the 2013 fiscal year from Edward Snowden. That year, the intelligence community received more than $52 billion in funding, $14.7 billion of which went to the CIA, while the National Security Agency and National Reconnaissance Office received $10.8 and $10.3 billion, respectively. The majority of the total funding from that year was given to intelligence gathering and counterterrorism, at a level of $20.1 billion and $17.2 billion, respectively.
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    This sounds like "fill in the blank check" type of question? Obama would use the funds to use on his illegal immigration program or bring in more Syria ISIS refugees. He may choose to take an expensive vacation and call it a "fact finding" inquiry as to if Mis. POTUS is ALLERGIC to Fiji air.
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    The American people should know where their tax money goes
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    I worry that in the name of protecting us in secret, the freedoms & rights of citizenry have become irrelevant to lawmakers. In the world of the constant campaign, fundraising & sound byte, I doubt anyone in the House of Representatives has considered anyone except donors for so long, they have forgotten we exist. And, at least, Sen Rubio has forgotten he has a day job!
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    Stopping this from going forward in the name of transparency is silly. Should your local police force notify you when a sting operation is going down in your neighborhood and tip off the bad actors in the process? Let's use common sense people and stop this fallacy of thinking that all information needs to be freely available at all times. Transparency for the sake of transparency compromises our sources and puts real lives at risk.
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    Share with us what the funding is for and what we are giving up to fund this.
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    I might be reading it wrong, but looks like it is mostly in an effort to spy on the Russians. Personally, I think the Russians are the least of our problems, and we need to be directing most of our Intel work, towards the Middle East, and other countries in the control of anyone having anything to do with Islam. It's radical Islam that we are At war with, not Putin.
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    I do not support "blank check" legislation; our congressmen aught to require federal agencies to give full disclosure to them in regards to where their appropriated funds will go. A transparent government is a secure government, as well as a government we can trust.
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    Not until we know how much and an overview of what for.
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    Common sense. Obviously no group of people want secret budgets for intelligence activities that could be used against them funded with their own money. If we are using tax payer money why not use it for intelligence activities that actually benefit US and not a select few.
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    Do you realize how easy they could shut down our electric grids. What a chaos that would cause. Of course, we need to fund this.
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    Once we as a country have researched the cost and where the money will come from
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    First things first, we should know what we the people are financing, and secondly, we need to be cutting financing to chip away at our national debt, not increasing funding.
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    No not ever why should we pay to spy on ourselves
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    Increase intelligence budget. Decrease military budget. We can fight more nuanced, effective and less costly warfare. Striking where and when it counts with minimum casualties on our side.
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    I never like taking a leap of faith when it involves politicians, but I am comfortable with what it prohibits providing there are no loopholes. I also feel fed employees should have to pay into SS like the rest of us.
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    If we know then the whole world will know. Get smart people.
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    Let the ones who work with this everyday show their budget requests, not from a peanut gallery who dose not know where the monies need to be spent, or if they even need more.
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    Intelligence is needed to protect America. However this should not be a blank check for wasteful spending and government sponsored payments to other countries or actually our enemies.
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    The government should stop lying and/or hiding secretive stuff from the American people. We as taxpayers are the ones that pay the salary of congress and the rest of the federal government. They work for us. Not the other way around. Reveal where our tax money is going or be prepared to get "fired." If you were to stuff from your boss you'd be fired so why can Congress acknowledge that.
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