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house Bill H.R. 2060

Should at Least 10,000 U.S. Troops Remain in Afghanistan Until the Taliban Meet Certain Conditions?

Argument in favor

The Taliban in Afghanistan is stronger than ever, and the Afghan security forces’ ranks are thinned after heavy losses in 2018. Now, more than ever, the Afghan government needs U.S. support, so a future troop drawdown should be carefully planned to avoid a withdrawal that creates a vacuum that benefits the Taliban.

Jonathan's Opinion
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07/26/2019
This is an incredibly complex issue, and there’s no simple or short way through it. The country was in chaos before we got there and it’s still in chaos. It’s a dangerous situation for both the United States and Afghanistan. In a sense, we have a responsibility to the Afghan people, particularly after how things went in the ‘80s. We used the people to fight the Soviets and then we abandoned them to chaos and destruction. I’ve been to remote villages in Afghanistan while working with an NGO and the people live in fear of them. In one case, we weren’t allowed to spend time in a village because of the fear of the Taliban. I spent time in an orphanage. I spent time traversing the rough terrain and nearly impossible roads. Afghanistan used to be a modern and progressive country before being taken over by religious zealots, and there are still remnants of that more contemporary culture, even in some of the outer cities, like soccer stadiums that eventually got repurposed by the Taliban for public executions. I think that our approach in pushing a specific system of government on them was a mistake; we need to let them find their own way and then support the leadership. We need to commit to helping them become more independent. Simply dropping them because it’s not convenient or because it doesn’t immediately serve the interests of the United States is a mistake. We need more people on the ground, but not only soldiers. We need engineers and construction crews and communications specialists to help them rebuild the broken down infrastructure, such as the roads and communications. We need to put people there to plant trees, install solar and other alternative power sources. I was there in the middle of winter when there was no fuel for heat, such as wood, and no running water because of frozen and burst water lines. Some people there want their village life, but others want modernization, including libraries and schools. There needs to be a real evaluation of what the population wants and endeavor to assist them in achieving it. Food and shelter and warmth and access to roads and communications. Not just guns in the hands of soldiers. Some muscle is important when facing bullies and terrorists, but without investing in the people, it’s moot. It was largely like the Middle Ages/Dark Ages when I was there, except that there were some cars and some people had mobile phones, and just as Europeans made it through into the Renaissance era, so, too, can the people of Afghanistan. We can choose to be a part of that, to do good in the world, or we can abandon them.
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RjGoodman's Opinion
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07/27/2019
While I don’t know if 10,000 is the magic number, we need to finish what we started in Afghanistan. We have to treat it as a nation building project and not just a military operation.
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Deborah's Opinion
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07/26/2019
We’re always pulling out too soon and just having to send more back over later. Don’t half-ass it. Stay in there and finish the job!
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Argument opposed

After over two decades in Afghanistan, the U.S. has nothing more to give. The nation-building attempt has failed: it’s time to acknowledge this reality, bring U.S. troops home, and focus on counterterrorism efforts alone. It should be up to the Afghan government to stand on its own against the Taliban.

burrkitty's Opinion
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07/26/2019
There are kids deployed in Afghanistan NOW that hadn’t been born when we started this charade of war on the wrong target. WE HAVE ALREADY LOST. Stop throwing away our money on all these stupid endless wars. Als I fundamentally reject the premise of this bill. The “conditions” are literally written to be all but impossible to fulfill. This bill exists to force us to stay at war FOREVER. END FOREVER WARS!
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Robert 's Opinion
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07/26/2019
“America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776 “- Global Research. War, including our invasion of Afghanistan, is an outmoded way of trying to resolve human problems. We should get out of all countries we have invaded. Save lives and give Peace a chance.
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IllWill's Opinion
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07/26/2019
This war in Afghanistan has been a disaster and has cost the lives of many troops and trillions of dollars! We can’t be responsible for this country anymore! Pull all the troops out and let Afghanistan solve its own problems! Afghanistan is not a client state of the U.S.!
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    This is an incredibly complex issue, and there’s no simple or short way through it. The country was in chaos before we got there and it’s still in chaos. It’s a dangerous situation for both the United States and Afghanistan. In a sense, we have a responsibility to the Afghan people, particularly after how things went in the ‘80s. We used the people to fight the Soviets and then we abandoned them to chaos and destruction. I’ve been to remote villages in Afghanistan while working with an NGO and the people live in fear of them. In one case, we weren’t allowed to spend time in a village because of the fear of the Taliban. I spent time in an orphanage. I spent time traversing the rough terrain and nearly impossible roads. Afghanistan used to be a modern and progressive country before being taken over by religious zealots, and there are still remnants of that more contemporary culture, even in some of the outer cities, like soccer stadiums that eventually got repurposed by the Taliban for public executions. I think that our approach in pushing a specific system of government on them was a mistake; we need to let them find their own way and then support the leadership. We need to commit to helping them become more independent. Simply dropping them because it’s not convenient or because it doesn’t immediately serve the interests of the United States is a mistake. We need more people on the ground, but not only soldiers. We need engineers and construction crews and communications specialists to help them rebuild the broken down infrastructure, such as the roads and communications. We need to put people there to plant trees, install solar and other alternative power sources. I was there in the middle of winter when there was no fuel for heat, such as wood, and no running water because of frozen and burst water lines. Some people there want their village life, but others want modernization, including libraries and schools. There needs to be a real evaluation of what the population wants and endeavor to assist them in achieving it. Food and shelter and warmth and access to roads and communications. Not just guns in the hands of soldiers. Some muscle is important when facing bullies and terrorists, but without investing in the people, it’s moot. It was largely like the Middle Ages/Dark Ages when I was there, except that there were some cars and some people had mobile phones, and just as Europeans made it through into the Renaissance era, so, too, can the people of Afghanistan. We can choose to be a part of that, to do good in the world, or we can abandon them.
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    There are kids deployed in Afghanistan NOW that hadn’t been born when we started this charade of war on the wrong target. WE HAVE ALREADY LOST. Stop throwing away our money on all these stupid endless wars. Als I fundamentally reject the premise of this bill. The “conditions” are literally written to be all but impossible to fulfill. This bill exists to force us to stay at war FOREVER. END FOREVER WARS!
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    I am a little unsure on this. I believe that our government failed Afghanistan initially by pulling almost all support after we trained and armed warlords in order to get the Russians to withdraw. Instead of recognizing the need for culture influencing education, minimal infrastructure and humanitarian aid we essentially just left a trained, well armed, angry and vulnerable population behind. We got the Russians out and never were willing to address possible future consequences. We have paid the price for choosing expediency over strategically identifying and addressing possible unintended consequences of our actions. So, if it is possible to positively influence the Afghan culture by educating, empowering and aiding the populace- I would support keeping a minimal military presence to protect so doing. The problem I have is that It may be too late. I do think that actions to prevent terrorist groups from flourishing in a Taliban dominated society is a responsible thing to do. I kind of lean that way, I guess. I am really torn on this issue. Hopefully our legislature can do its job and truly deliberate to arrive at the best course of action.
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    “America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776 “- Global Research. War, including our invasion of Afghanistan, is an outmoded way of trying to resolve human problems. We should get out of all countries we have invaded. Save lives and give Peace a chance.
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    This war in Afghanistan has been a disaster and has cost the lives of many troops and trillions of dollars! We can’t be responsible for this country anymore! Pull all the troops out and let Afghanistan solve its own problems! Afghanistan is not a client state of the U.S.!
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    Let’s end this nearly 20-year war.
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    10K troops is a lot, for no real defensive purpose. I think we should identify what we need for counter-terrorism efforts and allow the Afghan government to make a go of it on their own. I'm tired of war with no purpose and no ending, and we can't afford the kind of military spending we have been doing.
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    This is a bizarre proposal. We need a sane government to deal with this and other serious issues. Oust trump and trump’s corrupt criminal regime. Now. We need to replace the GOP crooks and cronies with some decent people and get a SANE, SENSIBLE government!
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    While I don’t know if 10,000 is the magic number, we need to finish what we started in Afghanistan. We have to treat it as a nation building project and not just a military operation.
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    We need to just get out. We have fallen into the same quagmire that the USSR did, and we are handling it no better.
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    We’ve been there far too long! Time to get out, cut our losses & move on to our multitude of problems at home
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    Moot point since Republicans have stood by wringing their clammy little hands, while Trump has destroyed both our national security and our foreign affairs. Where is Mattis? .. yea my point exactly. Don’t forget Republicans wall of support for Trump.
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    End all foreign occupation NOW.
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    We never should’ve went into Afghanistan in the first place. Bring our troops home and stop the endless wars
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    We’re always pulling out too soon and just having to send more back over later. Don’t half-ass it. Stay in there and finish the job!
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    The talks with the Taliban seem to be going well, but we must maintain a strong presence until we are sure Afghanistan cannot become a terrorist proxy state again.
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    👍🏻House Bill H.R. 2060 AKA the Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan 🇦🇫 Act👍🏻 Just think back and remember the massive pullout of troops in Iran 🇮🇷 I support and recommend the passage of House Bill H.R. 2060 AKA the “Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan Act”which would give Congress oversight over talks between the U.S. and the Taliban in Afghanistan to ensure that an American troop withdrawal would only occur after the fulfillment of certain conditions. It’d prevent funds provided to the Dept. of Defense (DOD) for FY 2019 from being used to reduce U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan below 10,000 active duty members until the Director of National Intelligence certifies the Taliban have met several criteria that are described below. The Taliban in Afghanistan is stronger than ever, and the Afghan security forces’ ranks are thinned after heavy losses in 2018. Now, more than ever, the Afghan government needs U.S. support, so a future troop drawdown should be carefully planned to avoid a withdrawal that creates a vacuum that benefits the Taliban. SneakyPete..... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. 7.26.19.....
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    No. Be done and come home.
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    I am so sick of this unending war! It is time to bring our men home and let Afghanistan handle their own country. USA can’t be the police department of the world any longer. We have issues here at home that need to be addressed.
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    We’ve been there too long, as a veteran I understand why but we can’t police the world, same with Iraq. We must put limits on what we are doing, the homeland is suffering; infrastructure for one. Other nations must do more. #MAGA
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