Like Countable?

Install the App
TRY NOW

house Bill H.R. 1869

Should the Equal Pay Act be Strengthened to Reduce the Wage Gap?

Argument in favor

Women should receive equal pay for equal work, but in too many cases they get paid significantly less than their male peers do in the same role. The federal government needs to crack down on employers who pay women less.

Ramon's Opinion
···
04/11/2017
We must differentiate between "equal pay for equal work" and "pay according to ability, experience, and education." All else being equal, there is NO reason women should not be paid the same as a man for doing the same job.
Like (378)
Follow
Share
Ashley's Opinion
···
04/11/2017
The sheer fact that a gender pay gap still exists is appalling. (And yes "Zach" and "Adam", it does exist, though I can't feign shock that the two most blatant white males on here are insisting it does not). The fact that there is any opposition to this bill is the proof that it is needed. *UPDATE* "Mason" and "Geoff" also oppose this. I can't make this stuff up. We just need a Connor, Parker, and "John [insert second name here]" to round this thing out. *UPDATE* I would like to welcome "Patrick", "Derek" and "Jake" to this meeting of the HeMan Woman Haters Club. Wait...even they had a black guy. Sorry. Y'all are still just privileged white dudes. *UPDATE* "Drew","Ryan" and "Lucas" are throwing in their expertise on the lack of a wage gap. Way to stand for the resistance, guys. White men forevah, amiright?! *UPDATE* And we are joined now by "Kyle" "Austin" "Owen" and an older white gentleman going by - I kid you not - "operaman". They sneer at your silly equal pay requests from the balcony, peasants. *UPDATE* "Noah" "Will" "Mark" and "Tyler" glad you could join us on this edition of "Reasons Women are Always Wrong". *UPDATE* "Mathew", "Louis",and "Jaizon" (he's white, I checked. Which I can only assume means his nursery decor was camo and deer themed) are also apparently ardent Dudebro, Inc members. *UPDATE* So glad "Brian" "Brett" "Josh" and "Ken" chimed in. Thanks, fellas. Always making sure we women aren't doing crazy things like thinking and fact checking. Y'all da real MVPs.
Like (217)
Follow
Share
Khadijah's Opinion
···
04/11/2017
Yes and the wage gap should be further broken down not just across genders but also for POC men and women.
Like (155)
Follow
Share

Argument opposed

There are plenty of reasons that one employee might make more money than another — including education, experience, and training. Wage disparities are often the result of differences in people’s abilities, not gender discrimination.

Mason's Opinion
···
04/11/2017
The wage gap doesn't exist. Do some actual research. - I would like to elaborate: for the same work, men and women are payed the same, but the total ratio of all male to all female earnings is 100/77. What that means is women take lower paying jobs on average, not that they're payed less for the same job.
Like (193)
Follow
Share
Tyler's Opinion
···
04/11/2017
The wage gap is a myth, the 77 cents to every dollar line is wrong it's closer to 98 cents to every dollar. Women are not being paid less for equal work, that's illegal. *EDIT* for everyone claiming the wage gap exists, look up how it's calculated. They simply take the gross wages of men and women, not accounting for the fact that men work on average more hours than women do. Do your homework guys.
Like (88)
Follow
Share
Reagan's Opinion
···
04/11/2017
The government need not intervene in private business. Micromanagement where a problem simply doesn't exist is not, and never should be, the governments duty.
Like (81)
Follow
Share

bill Progress


  • Not enacted
    The President has not signed this bill
  • The senate has not voted
  • The house has not voted
      house Committees
      Committee on Education and Labor
    IntroducedApril 4th, 2017

What is House Bill H.R. 1869?

This bill would revise existing enforcement mechanisms to prevent wage discrimination based on gender. Exceptions in laws that prohibit wage differences between men and women would be limited to bona fide factors — like education, training, or experience.

Defenses based on bona fide factors can only apply if the employer demonstrates that the factor in question:

  • Is not based upon a gender-based differential for compensation;

  • Is job-related with respect to the position in question;

  • Is consistent with the needs of the business;

  • Accounts for the difference in compensation.

This defense wouldn't apply when the employee can demonstrate that an alternative employment practice exists that serves the same business purpose without leading to a pay difference and their employer refused to adopt that practice.

The prohibition against employer retaliation for complaints by employees would be revised to bar retaliation for inquiring about, discussing, or disclosing the wages of an employee in response to:

  • A complaint or accusation of gender discrimination;

  • An investigation, proceeding, hearing or other action;

  • An investigation conducted by the employer.

It would be illegal to require employees to sign a contract or waiver preventing them from disclosing information about their wages. Employers who violate gender discrimination rules  would be liable for civil compensatory or punitive damages — although the federal government would be exempt from paying the punitive fines.

The Dept. of Labor would be authorized to seek additional compensatory or punitive damages in a gender discrimination action. All such actions could be pursued as class action suits without the written consent of individual plaintiffs. 

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and the Office of Compliance Programs would train EEOC employees, affected individuals and entities about wage discrimination. EEOC would issue regulations related to collecting compensation data from employers to analyze data regarding the gender, race and national origin of employees for use in the enforcement of federal laws prohibiting pay discrimination.

Impact

Women in the workforce, anyone who suspects they have been subjected to pay discrimination based on their gender, businesses that are practice or have been accused of pay discrimination, and relevant federal agencies — especially the EEOC and Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Cost of House Bill H.R. 1869

A CBO cost estimate is unavailable.

More Information

In-Depth: Sponsoring Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) introduced this legislation to help close the wage gap between women and men who work the same jobs:

"Women and men in the same job should have the same pay, and the Paycheck Fairness Act is a strong step forward in ensuring that we close the wage gap once and for all. This legislation addresses the issue in a comprehensive and sensible manner, and it is long overdue. President Trump campaigned on the promise that he would fight for American workers, including women, and I strongly encourage him to support this bill and make equal pay a reality."

This bill has the support of 197 cosponsors in the House.


Of Note
: In 2009, the Department of Labor requested the publication of a report detailing the causes of the wage disparity between men and women: 

“This study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices made by both male and female workers.”

Claims that women make 77 cents for every dollar earned by men have been enthusiastically embraced by some and brushed aside as a statistical myth by others in pursuit of their respective policy goals. A deeper examination of the issue done by the American Association of University Women put the figure closer to 91 cents for every dollar men earn. Another analysis in Slate highlighted observations that such figures are an oversimplification of a complex issue, which discount personal choices made by male and female workers.

The Obama administration has emphasized that women be paid equally, but 2014 statistics showed that women were earning about 87 percent of what their male counterparts were in the White House. Things were no different in 2009, and the 13 percent wage gap between men and women in the Obama administration has persisted.

Media:

Summary by Eric Revell
(Photo Credit: Flickr user ironypoisoning)

AKA

Paycheck Fairness Act

Official Title

To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide more effective remedies to victims of discrimination in the payment of wages on the basis of sex, and for other purposes.

    We must differentiate between "equal pay for equal work" and "pay according to ability, experience, and education." All else being equal, there is NO reason women should not be paid the same as a man for doing the same job.
    Like (378)
    Follow
    Share
    The wage gap doesn't exist. Do some actual research. - I would like to elaborate: for the same work, men and women are payed the same, but the total ratio of all male to all female earnings is 100/77. What that means is women take lower paying jobs on average, not that they're payed less for the same job.
    Like (193)
    Follow
    Share
    The sheer fact that a gender pay gap still exists is appalling. (And yes "Zach" and "Adam", it does exist, though I can't feign shock that the two most blatant white males on here are insisting it does not). The fact that there is any opposition to this bill is the proof that it is needed. *UPDATE* "Mason" and "Geoff" also oppose this. I can't make this stuff up. We just need a Connor, Parker, and "John [insert second name here]" to round this thing out. *UPDATE* I would like to welcome "Patrick", "Derek" and "Jake" to this meeting of the HeMan Woman Haters Club. Wait...even they had a black guy. Sorry. Y'all are still just privileged white dudes. *UPDATE* "Drew","Ryan" and "Lucas" are throwing in their expertise on the lack of a wage gap. Way to stand for the resistance, guys. White men forevah, amiright?! *UPDATE* And we are joined now by "Kyle" "Austin" "Owen" and an older white gentleman going by - I kid you not - "operaman". They sneer at your silly equal pay requests from the balcony, peasants. *UPDATE* "Noah" "Will" "Mark" and "Tyler" glad you could join us on this edition of "Reasons Women are Always Wrong". *UPDATE* "Mathew", "Louis",and "Jaizon" (he's white, I checked. Which I can only assume means his nursery decor was camo and deer themed) are also apparently ardent Dudebro, Inc members. *UPDATE* So glad "Brian" "Brett" "Josh" and "Ken" chimed in. Thanks, fellas. Always making sure we women aren't doing crazy things like thinking and fact checking. Y'all da real MVPs.
    Like (217)
    Follow
    Share
    Yes and the wage gap should be further broken down not just across genders but also for POC men and women.
    Like (155)
    Follow
    Share
    The wage gap for not only women, but people of color, people with disabilities, and more have experienced conscious and unconscious bias in salary. We need to take measures to prevent this inequality and decrease the wage gap.
    Like (105)
    Follow
    Share
    This should be an automatic yes, unfortunately our legislature has repeatedly voted against common sense (see previous legislation regarding shooting innocent animals in their dens). You don't get to discriminate against someone who is equally qualified simply for lacking a penis.
    Like (103)
    Follow
    Share
    Well, there is no wage gap, so... no.
    Like (101)
    Follow
    Share
    Look at all the white dudes in this comment thread saying there is no pay gap😂
    Like (93)
    Follow
    Share
    Why are we even having this discussion in 2017? There should be no doubt that they should be equal between men and women we're doing the same job. It is ridiculous that this is not the standard. If you do the same job you should get the same pay regardless of your sex. That is just fair. This argument should have been put to rest decades ago. What is wrong with our culture that we are still so
    Like (88)
    Follow
    Share
    The wage gap is a myth, the 77 cents to every dollar line is wrong it's closer to 98 cents to every dollar. Women are not being paid less for equal work, that's illegal. *EDIT* for everyone claiming the wage gap exists, look up how it's calculated. They simply take the gross wages of men and women, not accounting for the fact that men work on average more hours than women do. Do your homework guys.
    Like (88)
    Follow
    Share
    Of course. And let's hope none of the men commenting that there is no wage gap ever have daughters. 😡
    Like (83)
    Follow
    Share
    The government need not intervene in private business. Micromanagement where a problem simply doesn't exist is not, and never should be, the governments duty.
    Like (81)
    Follow
    Share
    Funny how most people on here who are claiming there is no wage gap are males...
    Like (70)
    Follow
    Share
    I'm a democrat, I voted for Hillary, but this nonsense needs to stop. There is no wage gap. When controlling for education, work ethic, hours worked, etc etc; the wage gap becomes 97-98 cents on the dollars which is within the statistical margin of error. There is no wage gap.
    Like (55)
    Follow
    Share
    There's no excuse to have unequal pay between genders OR races.
    Like (47)
    Follow
    Share
    Wow. Just wow. I don't really like the idea of Countable becoming a site where participants go at each other instead of addressing the issues and our representatives, so no names here. However, I think in order to make my case I need to respectfully also point out what others have mentioned. Of course it seems to be predominantly the smug angry white male crowd who is taking issue with equal pay and gender equality. (Oh shoot! I just described my representatives! Darn it!) The one thing I learned in statistics all those years ago is your answers depend largely upon your questions and what you choose to look at. So yeah, you can make the numbers say anything, and that goes for both sides. I do believe a wage gap exists and I base my position not on statistics alone but on observations and real life experiences. If no wage gap or gender bias in the workplace exists why do women keep winning law suits? Hmm... I'm sure it's just a liberal communist plot on the part of the mean old judicial system. Right guys? Seriously though, the wage gap is just one piece of a much bigger and very frustrating puzzle. It isn't just equal pay for equal work at play here. It's equal opportunity for advancement or overtime or even to land the better paying jobs in the first place. It's how women are too often treated at work and in society. It's the myriad of ways women are held back and pushed down every day by a patriarchal society that privileged white men don't recognize because they have never been victimized by it in the way women and people of color routinely are and because they flat out don't want to. I'm not sure how to fix that, but if we as a nation ever hope to reach our potential we surely need to try harder. The current system is inherently unfair and no statistics in the world will ever convince those of us who suffer under the weight of it any differently. After reading the details of the bill my question is why are the nay voters so riled up? It isn't as if this bill comes close to guaranteeing women are going to receive the pay raises many deserve. It just says we should be paid fairly and establishes some basic criteria for determining whether that's happening. So if the contention of the nay sayers is correct and there is no actual pay gap then what's going to change and what are they worried about? Sounds a bit like just maybe the nays aren't exactly confident of the validity their quoted statistics or their position and are afraid some woman somewhere might be about to get a bigger piece of the pie they've been saving for themselves all these years. Representatives, it is your job to at least give us that chance. Support all of your constituents by supporting this bill.
    Like (43)
    Follow
    Share
    If men and women are equally qualified they should make the same amount of money for the same job. It is our responsibility to make sure that businesses are held accountable to ensure equal pay.
    Like (33)
    Follow
    Share
    About dang time.
    Like (31)
    Follow
    Share
    The wage gap is a misinterpreted statistic, any research into it more than none at all proves that. Averaging all men's salaries vs all women's salaries gets you the 80/100 figure we hear every day but doesn't account for any other factors. Men and women get paid the same for the same work, but there are not equal amounts of men and women in every field. "Strengthening legislation" will not affect this statistic and is a waste of time. Women need to choose different career paths if "the wage gap" is going to change. Please do your research people. https://www.google.com/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/06/watch-new-video-puts-the-wage-gap-myth-in-the-grave-once-and-for-all/amp/
    Like (29)
    Follow
    Share
    This will help with strengthening equal rights between genders. Closing the wage gap is just the right step we need for a more equal society.
    Like (24)
    Follow
    Share
    MORE