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Do you think it's possible to come to any kind of understanding about abortion in the US?

The Abortion Debate is Back -- Will it Ever End?!

by The Daily Dose | Updated on 2.5.19

What is it that makes modern Americans fight tooth-and-claw over abortion? What does it say about us? Do tell...


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  • burrkitty
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    The most effective thing to reduce the number of abortions is affordable comprehensive medical care including free or low cost birth control for both sexes as well as scientific and evidence based comprehensive sexual education for all kids. Using any contraceptive method significantly reduces a woman’s likelihood of becoming pregnant, and the most effective methods virtually eliminate that risk. This common-sense notion is supported by the scientific evidence, as well as by the life experience of tens of millions of American women and couples who have used contraceptives to time and space their childbearing or avoid pregnancy altogether.

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  • TrulyTexan
    02/04/2019
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    It will end when republicans and “christians” quit pretending they actually give a crap about fetuses (or anyone else) and let women be in charge of their own bodies.

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  • Bernie
    Voted Yes
    02/04/2019
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    I think it is murder. I think life begins at conception. Abortion violates the rights of the baby. That being said Roe v Wade should be repealed and individual states should set their own laws. If you want first trimester, I am opposed but that would be a states choice. I am opposed but as long as you bear the guilt of killing an innocent life and your vapid state deems it “legal” have a party. However, don’t EVER lecture me about ANYTHING related to MORALITY again. YOU can carry those innocent souls to YOUR grave. Not in my name.

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  • BlueSphere
    Voted Maybe
    02/04/2019
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    I think so, maybe. I think most people are somewhere in the middle. As in, most support a woman’s right to choose in the first trimester (and sparingly in the second) but that support drops dramatically when we start talking about fully formed infants being aborted in the third trimester, no matter how rare. Those who are COMPLETELY against abortion see those who are COMPLETELY in support of it as being radical and vice versa. I’m in the middle. However, I’m becoming increasingly concerned with the flippant way some talk about abortions, like it’s no big deal. It IS a big deal, or at least it should be. I know of a woman who has had 5 abortions. That kills me. I know millions of abortions are performed every year and there are many reasons for why women chose to abort. It is, ultimately, their decision. I just wish it was not promoted as the solution to unwanted pregnancies as much as it is.

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  • Karen
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    It is absolutely ridiculous that we are still having this debate. When people try to impose their morals on others, it violates the rights of the one who is being oppressed.That is what the Supreme Court determined 50 yrs ago. That has not changed. It isn’t about being “pro-abortion” or “pro-life”, it’s about allowing a woman to have a CHOICE to do with her body what she wants. Until these extreme, right-wing, religious fanatics can prevent “real children” from going hungry, living homeless, being abused & neglected, or living their lives as unwanted children in a foster care system, they need to shut up and stay the fuck out of women’s vaginas. As politicians, you have FAR greater issues to resolve. Why dont you try spending some of your time and our tax dollars finding solutions for the REAL issues effecting children? We all know this is just about having power and control over women and has NOTHING to do with your heartfelt caring about unwanted fetuses.

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  • SneakyPete
    Voted Yes
    02/04/2019
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    What the Hell is CRAZY 😜 Folks? THE SAVING OF OF A “HUMAN LIFE” BEGINS AT CONCEPTION FOLKS. ABORTION TO ME IS “MURDER”. THE BEST ALTERNATIVE IS ADOPTION. SneakyPete......... 👍🏻👦🏼🧒🏼🧒👦🏾. 2*4*19.........

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  • Tom
    02/04/2019
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    Progressives don’t have a problem killing an innocent fully developed child, but they are against capital punishment for 1st degree murder. Just recently the Governor of N.Y. Released a convicted killer who executed 2 N.Y.C. Police officers serving a life sentence without parole. I’m finished living in N.Y Governor Cuomo can go to hell, I’m going to Texas.

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  • Lori
    Voted Maybe
    02/04/2019
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    I think there a lot of opinions and views about this topic which are predominately driven by religious views and we have separated church and state in the USA to help protect all. That said medicine, science and over 300 religions may never fully align but we can get much closer

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  • burrkitty
    Voted No
    02/05/2019
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    When I hear men discussing women’s reproductive rights, I’m often left with the thought that they have zero interest in stopping abortion. If you want to prevent abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Men seem unable (or unwilling) to admit that they cause 100% of them. I realize that’s a bold statement. You’re likely thinking, “Wait. It takes two to tango!” While I fully agree with you in the case of intentional pregnancies, I argue that all unwanted pregnancies are caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men. All of them. Don’t believe me? Let’s start with this: A woman’s egg is only fertile for about two days each month. Yes, there are exceptions, because nature. But one egg which is fertile two days each month is the baseline. And those fertile eggs are produced for a limited number of years. This means, on average, women are fertile for about 24 days per year. But men are fertile 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory, a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year. While it’s true that sperm gets crappier as men age, it doesn’t have a fertility expiration date; men can cause unwanted pregnancies from puberty until death. So, starting with basic fertility stats and the calendar, it’s easy to see that men are the issue here. As a society, we really don’t mind if women suffer, physically or mentally, as long as it makes things easier for men. “But what about birth control?” you might ask. “ If a woman can manage to figure out how to get an abortion, surely she can use birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy, right?” Great question. Modern birth control for women is possibly the most important invention of the last century, and I’m very grateful for it. It’s also brutal. The side effects for many women include migraines, mood swings, decreased libido, depression, severe cramps, heavy bleeding, aneurysm — and that’s just a small fraction of them. Discouragingly, a promising study on a new male contraceptive was canceled in large part due to… (wait for it)… side effects. To be clear, this list of side effects was about one-third as long as the known side effects for commonly used women’s contraception. There’s a lot to unpack in that story alone. I’ll simply point out that, as a society, we really don’t mind if women suffer, physically or mentally, as long as it makes things easier for men. But, men, I’ve got good news. Even with the horrible side effects, women are (amazingly!) very willing to use birth control. Unfortunately, it’s harder to get than it should be, but that doesn’t keep women from trying. Birth control options for women require a doctor’s appointment — sometimes multiple doctor’s appointments — and a prescription. They’re not always free, and often not cheap. Some are actually trying to make female birth control options more expensive by allowing insurance companies to refuse to cover them. In addition, contraceptive options for women can’t be easily acquired at the last minute. In most cases, they don’t work instantly. The pill requires consistent daily use and doesn’t leave much room for mistakes, forgetfulness, or unexpected disruptions to daily schedules. Again, the side effects can be brutal — and not just in rare cases. Despite the hassle and side effects, I’m still grateful for birth control. (Please don’t take it away.) But it’s critical to understand that women’s birth control isn’t simple or easy. In contrast, let’s look at birth control for men — i.e., condoms. They’re readily available at all hours, inexpensive, convenient, and don’t require a prescription. They’re effective and work on demand, instantly. They don’t cause aneurysms, mood swings, or debilitating cramps. Men can keep them stocked up just in case, so they’re always prepared. They can be easily used at the last minute. I mean, condoms are magic! So much easier than birth control options for women. As a bonus, most women are totally on board with condoms. They keep us from getting STDs. They don’t lessen our pleasure during sex or prevent us from climaxing. The best part? Cleanup is so much easier — no waddling to the toilet as stuff drips down our legs. So why would there ever be unwanted pregnancies? Why don’t men just use condoms every time they have sex? Seems so simple, right? Oh. I remember. Men don’t love condoms. In fact, it’s very, very common for men to pressure women to have sex without a condom. It’s also not unheard of for men to remove the condom during sex without the women’s permission or knowledge. (Pro tip: That’s assault.) Why would men want to have sex without a condom? Because, for the precious minutes when they’re penetrating their partner, not wearing a condom gives them more pleasure. So… that would mean some men are willing to risk getting a woman pregnant — which means literally risking her life, her health, her social status, her relationships, and her career — so they can experience a few minutes of slightly increased pleasure. Is this for real? Yes. Yes, it is. Pregnancies happen when men have an orgasm. Unwanted pregnancies happen when men orgasm irresponsibly. Imagine a pleasure scale, with pain beginning at zero and going down into the negatives. A good back-scratch falls at 5, and an orgasm without a condom is a 10. Where would sex with a condom fall? A 7 or 8? So, it’s not that sex with a condom is not pleasurable, it’s just not as pleasurable. An 8 instead of a 10. Let me emphasize that again: Men regularly choose to put women at massive risk in order to experience a few moments of slightly increased pleasure. For the truly condom-averse, men also have a non-condom, always-ready birth control option built right in: the pull-out. It doesn’t protect against STDs, it’s an easy joke, and it’s far from perfect. However, it’s 96% effective if done correctly, and 78% effective in practice (because it’s often not done correctly). Still, many men who resist wearing condoms never learn how to pull out correctly. Apparently, it’s slightly more pleasurable to climax inside a vagina than, say, on their partner’s stomach. Once again, men are willing to risk the life, health, and well-being of women in order to experience a tiny bit more pleasure for roughly five seconds during orgasm. Think of the choice men are making here. Honestly, I’m not as mad as I should be about this, because we’ve trained men from birth to disassociate sex and pregnancy. We’ve taught them that their pleasure is of utmost importance. As a general rule, men get women pregnant by having an orgasm. Yes, there are exceptions — it’s possible for sperm to show up in pre-ejaculate — but in most cases, getting a woman pregnant is a pleasurable act for men. But men can get a woman pregnant without her feeling any pleasure at all. It’s even possible for a man to impregnate a woman while causing her excruciating pain, trauma, or horror. In contrast, a woman can have nonstop orgasms with or without a partner and never once get herself pregnant. A woman’s orgasm has literally nothing to do with pregnancy or fertility — her clitoris exists simply for pleasure, not for creating new humans. No matter how many orgasms she has, they won’t make her pregnant. Pregnancies happen when men have an orgasm. Unwanted pregnancies happen when men orgasm irresponsibly. A woman can love having orgasms all day and all night long, and she will never find herself with an unwanted pregnancy unless a man shows up and ejaculates irresponsibly. Though our society tends to villainize female pleasure, women’s enjoyment of sex does not equal unwanted pregnancy and abortion. Men’s enjoyment of sex and irresponsible ejaculations do. Let’s move to the topic of responsibility. Often, men don’t know, don’t ask, and don’t think to ask if they’ve caused a pregnancy. There are often zero consequences for men who cause unwanted pregnancies. If the woman decides to have an abortion, the man may never even know he caused an unwanted pregnancy with his irresponsible ejaculation. If the woman decides to have the baby, or put the baby up for adoption, the man may never know he caused an unwanted pregnancy with his irresponsible ejaculation either. He may never know there’s now a child walking around with 50% of his DNA. If the woman does tell him he caused an unwanted pregnancy and that she’s having the baby, the closest thing to a consequence for him is child support. Our current child support system is a well-known joke. Only about 61 percent of required payments by men are actually made, and there are little to no repercussions for skipping out. In some states, failing to pay child support doesn’t even affect your credit. If a man does pay child support, it doesn’t come close to what is required by a woman in the case of an unwanted pregnancy. Let’s talk about abortion. When the topic comes up, men might think: Abortion is horrible; women should not have abortions. Never once do they consider the man who caused the unwanted pregnancy. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions. If we’re discussing abortion law — and not how to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and the unwanted pregnancies caused by them — we’re wasting our time. Shift the conversation. Stop protesting at clinics. Stop shaming women. Stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions. What would that look like? A real and immediate consequence for men who cause an unwanted pregnancy. What kind of consequence would make sense? Should it be as harsh, painful, nauseating, scarring, expensive, risky, and life-altering… … as forcing a woman to go through a nine-month unwanted pregnancy? If you consider abortion to be murder, consider this thought experiment: Would you be on board with having a handful of men castrated to prevent 300,000 murders each year? If this argument sounds too provocative, could it be that many of us have a hard time wrapping our heads around a physical punishment for men? We seem to be more than fine with physical punishments for women. Perhaps we care more about policing women’s bodies, morality, and sexuality than we do about reducing or eliminating abortions. Here’s another prevention idea: All males in the U.S. could get a vasectomy when they are ready to be sexually active. Vasectomies are very safe, highly reversible, and about as invasive as a woman getting an IUD implanted. In most cases, there’s some soreness afterwards for about 24 hours, but that’s pretty much it for side effects. (Take a moment to remember that female contraception options, used by millions of women in our country and billions across the world, have well-known side effects which can be brutal and severe — and yes, also include soreness.) If and when a man becomes a responsible adult, finds a mate, and wants to have a baby, the vasectomy can be reversed and then redone once the childbearing stage is over. Each man can bank their sperm before the vasectomy, just in case. Don’t like my ideas? That’s fine. I’m sure there are better ideas, and I challenge you to suggest your own. My point is we need to stop focusing on women if we’re trying to get rid of abortions. Think of abortion as the “cure” for an unwanted pregnancy. To stop abortions, we need to prevent the “disease” — meaning, the unwanted pregnancy itself. And the only way to do that is by focusing on men, because irresponsible ejaculations by men cause 100% of unwanted pregnancy. Ask yourselves: What would it take for you to value the life of your sexual partner more than your own temporary pleasure or convenience? If you’re a man, what would it take for you to never again ejaculate irresponsibly? A loss of money, rights, or freedoms? Physical pain? Ask yourselves: What would it take for you to value the life of your sexual partner more than your own temporary pleasure or convenience? Men mostly run our government, and men mostly make our laws. In theory, men could eliminate — or drastically reduce — abortions within months without ever touching an abortion law or even mentioning women. They’d simply need to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and legislate accordingly. To reduce or eliminate abortions, stop attempting to control women’s bodies and sexuality. Because unwanted pregnancies are caused by men.

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  • MichaelS
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    As long as one segment of the population is comfortable murdering innocent life, there will be difficulties understanding each other

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  • JamieD
    Voted Yes
    02/04/2019
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    I think it’s possible this will eventually get settled as more women are elected to office. In the meantime, it would be nice if people could lay off the exclamation points and hysterics for two minutes to consider the heart-wrenching tales of women who have had late-term abortions. They are not murderous monsters. They are compassionate human beings facing a choice you are lucky you never had to make. Those who spread their hate but have never had a traumatic pregnancy (that especially means you men), need to pipe down and listen. Your condemnations are not helping. You’re actually making things worse for the people who need these procedures as an option.

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  • Tinee
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    Until males stop pressuring or forcing females into having unprotected sex, unwanted pregnancies will continue to happen. Males are never held accountable for the unintended pregnancies they cause. A female can't get another female pregnant. Females with unintended pregnancies are forced to make a hard decision keep or abort. Females that decide to keep unintended pregnancies or pregnancies they really want sometimes have to abort because the fetus is in the wrong place or the fetus stops developing. I say female not woman because I knew a little girl that was forced to give birth to her rapist's baby. Her rapist beat her so bad she almost died. The little girl took her own life shortly after giving birth. The rapist's name was known. Nothing was done to hold him accountable.

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  • Christopher
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    Not as long as the ‘Right to Life’ Movement and their supporters remain entrenched in their dogmatic belief system, and politicians use it as cannon fodder in the political process.

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  • Kimberly
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    As long as people think they deserve to dictate a woman’s rights to her own body, there will never come an end to this debate.

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  • Gerald
    Voted Yes
    02/04/2019
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    Yes I do believe it’s possible but only if we stop using this as a wedge issue to further political campaigns. As Americans we all believe in the idea of unalienable rights but we get railroaded by emotional arguments that short circuit our rational minds. The problem with the abortion debate is that all serious discussion has been co-opted by the spin of the pro-choice V pro-life sides as if we aren’t all pro-life and pro-choice. The PL side believes that life begins at conception and the PC side does not believes that the fertilized egg has the same status of life we assign to “human beings” for moral purposes. It is obvious that cells are alive but do they have life?Without a scientifically valid way of determining when life begins we must fall back on our beliefs and we have a separation of church and state for a reason. No one has the right to force their beliefs on anyone else and yet that is exactly what the pro-life supporters are trying to do. That doesn’t mean that we don’t have a moral obligation to error on the side of caution. It’s the reason that partial birth and late term abortions are restricted. I believe and will radically support your right to choose to believe what ever you choose and your right to try and convince others you are right. I fully support the Pro-life sides efforts to convince people that abortion is morally wrong. But I will just as radically support the Pro-choices right to choose their own beliefs. It’s time we stop using spin to divide and conquer the American public for personal political gain. It’s time we hold true to the founding principles of our democracy. “We hold theses truths to de self evident, that all men (mankind) are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Let each man choose his own beliefs as long as he lets others do the same.

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  • Leo
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    It won’t end but it may be eclipsed by the gene engineered babies.

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  • SneakyPete
    Voted Yes
    02/05/2019
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    The Democratic Political “KABUKI” Theatre Antics Democratic Politics in the US today are seen to be like that of that stereotyped vision seen of a Kabuki theatre. People overacting, trembling with phoney rage, making exaggerated facial expressions. High drama. When you say it's like a Kabuki Theater in the US, Americans know what that means, watching the Democratic politicians, surrogate MSM newscasters, and their addictive followers. SneakyPete......... 💃🕺🏽🧞‍♀️🧜🏾‍♀️🧞‍♂️. 2*4*19..........

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  • Chris
    Voted No
    02/04/2019
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    Republicans will continue to try to control women. They have shown little sign of wanting universal health care, or of supporting public education. They fight against comprehensive sex education, access to birth control, affordable child care and workers’ benefits that include sick leave and family leave. Virtually anything that would actually answer the question of ‘why would do women terminate pregnancy’, they are against. If it was about ‘the sanctity of life’, the GOP would be about decent wages, affordable housing, good benefits, and access to birth control. They are against all of them - so it’s not really about the sanctity of life, is it?

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  • David
    Voted No
    02/05/2019
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    There will be no resolution to this argument unless people on all sides of the issue realize and accept the reality that the “battle” over abortion has nothing to do with abortion but is about something else entirely.

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  • Chuck
    Voted Yes
    02/05/2019
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    When are Country stops legally murdering innocent babies in the womb of it’s mother then and only then will the abortion matter be settled. Just because something is legal that doesn’t make it right just like the Dred Scott Act before 1865 said it was legal to own another human being YET though it was perfectly legal that did not make it right! Abortion of innocent babies in the womb of it’s mother needs to be stopped and hopefully soon we will see Roe vs Wade overturned!

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