by Countable | 12.6.17
The Supreme Court is currently hearing arguments about whether a baker can refuse to create a wedding cake for a gay couple because of his religious beliefs.
Justice Anthony Kennedy asked a Trump administration lawyer, who sides with the baker:
"If you prevail, could the baker put a sign in his window [reading] 'We do not bake cakes for gay weddings'?"
Solicitor General Noel Francisco answered:
"Your Honor, I think that he could say he does not make custom-made wedding cakes for gay weddings, but most cakes—"
"And you would not think that an affront to the gay community?"
However, the justice later said that the state civil rights commission that had ruled against the baker had been "neither tolerant nor respectful of Mr. Phillips’ religious beliefs."
How would YOU answer Justice Kennedy’s question? Should bakers be allowed to put up a sign reading "We do not bake cakes for gay weddings"? Is it an affront to the gay community? Or is the real intolerance against the bakers' religious beliefs? Share your comments below.
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No more than he can put a sign in his window that states he does not bake cakes for African-Americans. Either way you cut it, it’s discrimination.
No, a baker or any other place that is open for business with the general public should not be allowed to put up a sign stating they don’t make wedding cakes for gay people. That would then open the door, so to speak, for signs denying service for white, black, non-Christians etc. Either a person is in business and provides service to all the general public or they shouldn’t be allowed to be in business! As a member of the gay persuasion and community, yes it is an affront to me and us! Any kind of discrimination of any group should be an affront to all of us, because we are all humans and according to the Bible I read, we all were created in God’s image, gay, straight, transgendered, black, white and any ostracized person or societal outcast. And Jesus sat down and broke bread with everyone, especially the least of us and in that example as well as his word, we should “Love thy neighbor as we love thyself” no judgement! In the end, we all will be judged on how well we treated each other and on our own merits, not our brothers and sisters, neighbors, friends or people that believe in other ways from us. I love even those that scorn me, because that is what Jesus tells me I am supposed to do by his word. True Christians behave as Christ towards one another. He set the example for us. If we don’t follow his example, then we aren’t behaving in a Christian manner. If we are not behaving in a Christian manner, then we are destroying our witness towards others rather that lifting our witness of Christ’s example, therefore the following question becomes evident... Are we who claim to be Christian, not living by Christ’s example and loving EVERYONE and treating everyone with respect and without judgement, are we really Christian??
Yes, the baker, just as any person placing a slogan on a t-shirt could, hang a sign that states “we do not bake cakes for Gay Marriages”. A person’s right cannot infringe on another person’s right, the baker not baking a cake does not infringe on a right to be a happily married gay couple, but preventing a person to state their opinion on such a marriage does. The cake does not prevent gay marriage.
The whole « against my religion « thing just doesn’t hold water. Before he agrees to bake a cake, does he ask if they’re virgins or divorced or if they’ve committed adultery or murder or if they’ve stolen something? Of course not, because it’s not against his religion to be a sinner; it’s only against his religion to be gay. Homophobia is ignorance, plain and simple.
Can I put a sign up saying “No Christians Allowed”?
“You, as a consumer, may choose any bakery you wish. We, as a bakery, may choose any consumer we wish.”
If you are a public business serving the public your personal beliefs have no place in the public sector. Discrimination should never be tolerated.
“We have the right to refuse Service.” Restaurants and other business should be allowed to refuses to whom ever that want. It’s their business and if they don’t want people’s money I think that’s ok. I think as a business it’s their decision. It’s not the governments business to tell them who they serve or not.
That depends. Can a baker put a sign in their window that says they kill anyone that works on the sabbath? Are they then allowed to do it because they are devout Christians? Can a baker put a sign in their window that says they only bake cakes for people who kill apostates who reject Allah? Are they then allowed to do it because they are devout Muslims? Gee. Silly thought, but may be we should follow the secular laws outlined in our secular constitution. Another silly thought, maybe you can follow whatever religion you want right up until you take any action that is against the law. There is NO free pass for breaking the law. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of the same gender as yourself.
What I don’t want understand is why someone would turn a money opportunity away. What does it matter what another person decides to put on THEIR cake?
The Baker should not be able to refuse gay customers. If he/she/etc wants to state his opinion of gay marriage to their customers and/or to the general public, that is his/her/etc right exercise their rights to free speech and religious expression, but flat out refusing to serve them is as discriminatory as refusing to serve non-whites, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Democrats, Republicans, short people, tall people, people with gray hair, etc (pick your human trait.) Like them or not, Gay people are who they are and they have the same rights as everyone else. Religious beliefs, no matter how closely held or believed righteous do not infer upon the believer the right to pass judgement upon others in the form of discriminatory practices. I would encourage people on the other side of the opinion to stop bullying people you don’t know because they’re different from you and start communicating with them and getting to know them. If you do, I know you will realize they are human beings, just like you.
No! This is a clear case of discrimination by the business owner and a violation of our discrimination laws. Oh yes, I hear the pleas: “the gays and other minorities should find another baker”!Well Mr. Businessman, we are a nation of laws and if you disagree with the laws, find another country where you can discriminate against whomever you want. You and your cakes are full of crap if you think you do not have to abide by the laws of our country!
Yes. As the proprietor of a store, I have the right to refuse service to anyone for whatever reason I choose and I am not required to explain myself. These two guys could have went to multiple other bakeries and got their cake. But instead they are hell bent on making a name for themselves. If this decision goes their way, be prepared for the onslaught of copycat lawsuits all across the country.
Is the next refusal going to be that I do not like mentally ill or disabled people therefore I will not serve them ! This has nothing to do with religion all to do with respect of people and you providing a buisness ! A sad state of affairs !
Hate is hate no matter what. It doesn't matter if that hate is hidden behind religion or not. HATE IS HATE and the bible specifically warns against hate. Enjoy your one way ticket to hell haters. You earned it!
Funny how no one seems to have a problem with Muslim bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gays.
Let us keep in mind, the baker did not refuse to serve the couple. The baker simply declined to bake them a wedding cake. They were welcome to purchase any prepared food already in the shop.
NO SHOES NO SHIRT NO SERVICE. The business owner can choose who they sell to. It’s called freedom and the free market. If enough people avoid their store, they will soon be out of business. Case solved. Democrats discriminates all the time by trying to divide our society into groups. Remember “e pluribus unum”. From the many.....one. We are all Americans and you can take your business to another baker who wants your business no matter what or who you are.
Sure he can post whatever he wants. But signs and words have consequences. I was in retail for over 40 years. When the doors opened in the morning our responsibility to our customer’s was to serve them equally. This is patently a violation of public accommodation laws and SCOTUS should rule against the baker.
Yes. It is his right, his business, and his choice.