by Axios | 11.8.18
At least 12 people were killed, including a sheriff's deputy, when a gunman opened fire inside a crowded bar Wednesday night in Thousand Oaks, California, reports the AP.
Details: The shooting took place at Borderline Bar & Grill, about 40 miles west of Los Angeles, around 11:20 p.m. The Ventura County Sheriff's Office said that around 10 others were shot and wounded. Authorities told the AP that the 29-year-old gunman, who is now dead, used a .45-caliber handgun and a smoke device during the attack.
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Photo: Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images
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In California with the strictest Gun Control laws in the nation, another tragedy has occurred, a very sick man did a very sick thing. Sadly rather than mourn the loss of wives, husbands, sisters, brothers, daughters, sons, parents and law enforcement, some will see fit before the bodies are cold to use this tragedy as a means for calling for gun control that did not stop this act in California. What should Congress do? Let people mourn, then begin a very somber conversation on mental health in this nation.
As a gun owner who is for common sense gun laws and accountability I would say what would you do if this was a car instead of a gun? Was it registered? properly Insured? Was he properly trained? Tested? Drunk? Impaired? Otherwise compromised? Did he have the right to own and operate it to begin with? If not put him away. Mental health issues would never come into it if guns were treated like cars.
All mass shootings have two obvious things in common. #1 The shooters are mentally ill. Whether driven by a religious affiliation as a terrorist act or other issues such as PTSD, no sane person would ever perform such an act of violence. #2 They always occur in “gun free zones” where the shooter knows they will encounter zero resistance. This allows the shooter to maximize carnage. Bottom line: Ban gun free zones. Get serious about treating mental illness.
Nothing. This is a sad incident but you can't legislate away bad people.
Are we discussing a state with extreme gun laws. My, my, how could this happen? Let me count the ways: Liberal Democratic state, uncontrolled illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities, and counties. Three big red flags. Wonder about a scenario with a zero population of illegals instead of 40%. Homeless driving up costs in San Francisco and business moving out because of increasing taxes. So much for the song ”I left my heart in San Francisco.”
I carry. I would protect you to the best of my ability. Don’t care who you voted for. Don’t care where you are from. Don’t care what color your skin is or who you are sexually attracted to. Don’t care about your gender.
The usual. Take two parts thoughts and to parts prayer. Mix generously and reassure the NRA all is well.
This is egregious We need reforms to remove the excess amount of guns throughout the country Develop better regulations pertaining to the sale and ownership of them These are weapons Not tools - weapons to kill They are destructive and unsustainable To defend your property all you should need is a double action revolver Not a military grade AR-15 Responsible gun owners should be treated as such But there is clearly a problem with the massive stockpile of weaponry in our country
I have questions that I have not heard asked in the wake of ANY of these horrific events - going all the way back to Columbine nearly 20 years ago - TO WHICH WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA DID THIS PERSON BELONG EXACTLY? WHAT FEDERAL THREAT WAS LURKING INSIDE THAT BAR FILLED WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AT 11 AT NIGHT? The Second Amendment we all hear about every time one of these events occurs says -AND I QUOTE - " A well-regulated Militia, being necessary TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." So again, I ask to which WELL-REGULATED militia actively operating to secure or maintain the freedom of the state of California did this person belong? To what immediate threat was this person responding AT THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT of California and does that threat still exist? Seems to me, the only threat to the victims - which included a member of law enforcement - was yet another person in this nation with a gun hell-bent on killing people and taking the coward's way out by killing himself. Will we as a nation NEVER LEARN? Keep your statement that guns don't kill people, people kill people to yourselves. I can't wait for the predictable rhetoric declaring that we, as a nation, should now consider placing ARMED GUARDS in BARS along with places of worship, concert venues, movie theaters and schools. Where EXACTLY does this nonsense stop? States HAVE well-regulated militias - they are called the NATIONAL GUARD. Stop the bullshit, the posturing and the pandering to the lobbyists and manufacturers and FIGURE OUT A WAY TO STOP THE SENSELESS MURDER of your constituents.
California has some of the strictest gun control in the country. Apparently, he obtained the gun lawfully. There’s always going to be evil people. We, honest citizens, need to be able to protect ourselves and our family.
Wrong question - should be “What will the NRA let them do?”
Repeal the second amendment.
Mass shootings almost every week now...what’s it gona take to get some action?
Congress should uphold the constitution as it has sworn to do. Including the right of law abiding citizens to arm and defend themselves.
There is nothing congress can or should try to do about this. You cannot legislate away bad or crazy people. They will always exist, and their options for causing mayhem are endless; guns are just a scapegoat. If Congress wants to “do something“ they should look into legislation that will improve mental health care, and order studies that will explore the known, serious, often violent side effects of some psychoactive drugs. What Congress should not do is abridge the civil rights of law-abiding citizens. And they should not be playing the crony game with the pharmaceutical industry. They are culpable, and most people know it.
We need federal level common sense gun regulations that may inhibit incidents like this. Republicans need to own the fact that they have obstructed these regulations for years and ARE RESPONSIBLE for many innocent people being killed. This needs to end
If murderers are still going to murder, why make make murder illegal? If rapist are still going to rape, why make rape illegal?if tax evaders are still going to evade taxes, why make tax evasion illegal? Why apply the cold nihilism of your arguments solely to YOUR fetish?
Guns are not the issue people, these are tools! They don’t just shoot people on their own, it takes an evil mentally ill person to commit the act! The stupidity of taking away 2A infringes on my rights the constitution has given all of us. You take that away you can kiss your 1st amendment right and all others away too!
I think the main thing in all these shootings is mental health not particularly guns. Our vets with PTSD should be better taken if. More programs for them. People with mental health problems should be given more observation/their actions taken more seriously.
Enforce the laws on the Books ...California already has the strictest gun laws in the country ...no law will stop a mad man who wants to kill someone